Upcoming Changes to our Old Rewards Program
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03-06-2024
11:07 AM
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03-09-2024
12:32 PM
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ShawnC13
Hey Community,
We have an important announcement to share with our subscribers who are currently enrolled in our old Rewards program.
We’re making changes to our rewards program and are sharing how these changes impact some of our subscribers. Starting in May, we’ll be retiring our old Rewards program and moving all subscribers to our Public Points™ program.
We launched the Public Points™ program in January 2022 to provide our subscribers with more ways to earn and spend rewards, with greater flexibility. As part of our commitment to continuously evolve our products and services, it's time to retire our old Rewards program and shift our focus on enhancing our Points program.
To show our appreciation for your continued loyalty, subscribers on our old Rewards program will receive a special thank you. We'll send you a text message when it has been added to your account by March 31st.
We’re excited to continue providing you, our valued subscribers, more opportunities to earn and spend rewards with Public Points™ moving forward.
To learn more about your move to Public Points, check out our FAQ here.
The Public Mobile Team
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03-22-2024 12:08 AM - edited 03-22-2024 12:15 AM
@G_Pomzz wrote:Based on all the negative comments regarding the rewards/points debacle. Is it possible that there could be several thousand or more defections to other providers. But if they move to Telus or Koodo, it's not really a loss.
But say 3,000 leave outright then 3,000 x $30/mth avg = $90,000/mth or $1,080,000 year loss. Is that really going to hurt the bottom line of a company with $14 billion in revenue?
I don't know the numbers, either.
But I do know that there's two important measures for Canadian telcoms.
The first is total number of subscribers.
This is perhaps the most important to them because it's what determines how much voting/purchasing power they get in the spectrum licensing auctions. They've formed an oligarchy - they've tacitly agreed to "protect" the market (ban or destroy competitors), they've essentially all formed an uneasy alliance where everybody gets a big slice of the pie instead instead of a free market where everyone constantly competes for a bigger slice of the pie (which would cost them a lot of money on aggressive marketing, research, innovation, expansion, etc). But I'm willing to bet that if one of the Big Three suddenly gains or loses a large number of subscribers then the balance will shift and a lot of money streams will flow to other destinations. The Big Three have settled into certain areas of dominance but I think a big number of customers moving from one to another will mean a change in spectrum allocations (because they don't put them where there's no subscribers, ie: not profitable) and subsequently a bunch of expensive network deployment which "permanently" installs the new owner in place.
Subscribers are a fixed resource in Canada. There's basically a fixed number of Canadians and basically every Canadian who could, should, or would have a phone already does have a phone. So there aren't many "new" subscribers entering the market and the providers are basically forced to steal subscribers from each other. If one loses while the other gains then it will fall two steps behind in the race. It loses subscribers, it loses spectrum licenses, it loses government subsidies, it loses money all across the board.
The second is average revenue per customer.
Higher numbers means more revenue, more profits. That's why they're constantly trying to migrate and upsell people towards higher-cost plans, that's why they're constantly trying to put limits on costly provisions and features (and Rewards) which raise their operational expenses.
Maybe a few dozen or a few hundred or even a few thousand angry subscribers leaving won't be a serious dent. Some might come back, some might passionately stay away "forever". Some will migrate to Telus or to Koodo, some will consciously avoid ever giving Telus/etc another dime. Some won't ever think about it again, some will explain their awful experiences with greedy Telus betrayals to anyone who will listen in an effort to keep all their loves ones away from a company they hate. I think that in the end, Public Mobile's behaviour on this issue will directly and indirectly cost Telus a lot more money over time than they expect.
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03-21-2024 11:18 PM
@eyes wrote:Would anyone invest in a public traded company and not expect maximum possible profits?
ESG champions and social justice warriors. There's new funds with many of the banks and mutual fund companies targeting "ethical investing". Same with CPP. They're supposed to maintain a singular focus on bringing maximum value to sustain benefits for program participants, but the government is pushing them to make ethics judgements on where they invest, like divesting themselves from oil and gas companies.
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03-21-2024 11:09 PM
Very true. For-profit company is for profit. Largely this furor is an indicator if any of it reaches the ears of decision-makers that they may make more money off those who stay, they're potentially as likely to lose more money in lost subscriptions to people finding greener pastures. Maybe they've done the analysis and figured out the odds of enough people leaving to make it damaging vs. the revenue from increased baseline prices. Apart from that kind of appeal that people are making, it's barking up the wrong tree. The only ones interested in making costs for wireless and broadband services cheaper for people are parliamentary committees and CRTC. It's a bit like occupy-wallstreet... like really they're just laughing at you from their glass towers. The politicians are the ones who have the power to order changes, so that's where the balance of petitioning should be focused.
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03-21-2024 11:02 PM - edited 03-21-2024 11:03 PM
I’m undecided on what I will do until we get closer to May. But, Freedom does seem to be the trailblazer that PM once was. For my needs, their $149 annual plan at 4G speed works out to 2.5 GB avg per month at about $14 tax-in. Start out first for 1 month at $19 for 1GB to test their coverage. That’s what I’m noodling at this time but a lot can happen over the next 6 weeks.
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03-21-2024 10:31 PM - edited 03-21-2024 10:33 PM
So I am currently paying $15/mo, -$3/mo (for >3yrs loyalty) -$1/mo (friend referral) -$2/mo (autopay) = $9/mo
I was promised that after 5yrs as a loyal customer, I would be paying $15/mo -$5/mo (loyalty) -$1/mo (friend) -$2/mo (autopay) = $7/mo
However now I will be paying $15/mo, -5% (75c), -$10/yr (approx 82c/mo anniversary), -$1/mo (friend) = $12.43/mo, an unwelcome 38% increase
After 5yrs as a loyal customer, I'd still get $15/mo, -5% (75c), -$10/yr (approx 82c/mo anniversary), -$1/mo (friend) = $12.43/mo, an even less welcome 77% increase!
But "greater flexibility"? Really? And 5GB of data which would (best guess) take me nearly 5 years to use, except it expires in 5mo.
How about NO THANK YOU, PM? How about you "show your appreciation for my continued loyalty" in exactly the way you previously promised you would? That's what loyalty is about, PM, keeping promises!
[and I, too, have had to change my forum name because my previous one is in use BY ME but impossible to reclaim]
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03-21-2024 10:24 PM - edited 03-21-2024 10:36 PM
That may be true but no matter how you spin it, this is not a good look for PM. You, like I, can’t predict the future. How much potential growth will they now lose after this slap in the face to those who built the company? If you feel PM is the best deal for yourself, then stay here. As for me, I’m waiting until May to see what the landscape is at that time before deciding.
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03-21-2024 10:08 PM
Nobody would defect to Koodo or Telus regardless, as they aren't competitive at all (not in terms of budget-brand telecoms like PM at least). What I've been seeing the most (and are far more likely), are places like Freedom, PC Mobile, Fizz, and Lucky.
Freedom is changing the game right now, and they just keep pushing. They just released a $45 15GB 5Gb plan that roams in 81 countries. For me personally, I'll most likely be hopping over to Freedom, because they just make the most sense.
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03-21-2024 09:59 PM
You're being disingenuous and a corporate shill.
They mentioned to us that we will never lose our loyalty discount. This loyalty built engament that would never existed without it as their customer service was, and still is non existent. They then build a bigger brand on the backs of said community.
PM lied and must be held accountable.
Stop bending over and take a lap to tighten back up.
Yeesh what a fragile generation this is.
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03-21-2024 09:54 PM
@upandadam wrote:34 US plan here with $7 in loyalty + auto pay.
I'm out the minute my card is charged at a different rate than I agreed to.
Along with disputes to both agencies and through my CC.
@upandadam well that is everyones right to try. If you are on autopay then you are automatically agreeing to the current ToS at the time of each renewal and price of the plans at each renewal as we aren't under contract and each new cycle is a new contract. Our contract with PM is only for 30 or 90 days, you decide if you continue each time.
* I am happy to help, but I am not a Customer Support Agent please do not include any personal info in a message to me. Click HERE to create a trouble ticket through SIMon the Chatbot *
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03-21-2024 09:54 PM - edited 03-21-2024 10:03 PM
@G_Pomzz wrote:Yup, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
PM has probably responded to more CCTS complaints in the last month than in the history of the company.
It's not the first time - https://www.ccts-cprst.ca/lessons-from-the-public-mobile-price-increase/
Judging by the numbers and types of replies in this thread - and by Public Mobile's edits of their original announcement - and by the conspicuously low number of Bravo upvotes - and by what people are saying about it all at other sites like reddit and RFD (not to mention all the usual media vultures who try to present their opinions about the matter as facts) - Public Mobile's employees will be busy responding to some CCTS inquiries.
But I think the sad truth of the matter is that Public Mobile hasn't in fact done anything wrong. At least not in any technical or legal way. We "agreed" to the terms of service in the Rewards program, and we "agreed" that they could change those terms at any time, and we even "agreed" in advance that we already "agree" to these hypothetical new terms. They gave us (exactly) one billing cycle worth of advance notice, as specified in their own Terms.
The way Public Mobile (Telus) cut out loyalty bonuses quietly, sneakily after dark before making their announcement about Rewards-customers-being-moved-to-Points the very next morning was slimy and unethical (and a bit cowardly) - it feels like a premeditated rip-off to pad somebody's pockets at the cost of devaluing the loyalty of many long time customers - but passing judgement on those qualities is beyond CCTS and CRTC mandates.
I guess losing all the "expenses" attached to the Rewards program, along with many generally money-conscious (low plan cost) subscribers will temporarily boost Telus's ARPU numbers at their next shareholder/investor meetings. Look at how we "increased profit margins" and "raised the average revenue per subscriber". I've seen them gaslight their customers so I would expect them to gaslight everyone else they deal with, too.
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03-21-2024 09:51 PM
@RetiredGuy1 wrote:How many existing customers leaving is a tangible measurement. But consider the intangible effect. Namely, potential new customers from the other telecoms (tier 1, tier 2, tier 3) and first-time subscribers. Its a competitive market and many people are undecided which way to go. If the deciding factor is the feeling that Telus(PM) can’t be trusted, that could be the deciding factor to stay away. If the backlash were to grow large and loud enough, Telus(PM) might blink and make, at the very least, some meaningful concessions. One thing is certain, without any negative feedback, we might as well line up outside of Telus’ HQ, drop our pants, bend over and grab our ankles…
@RetiredGuy1 All providers have that image with someone. You talk with people and hear I will never deal with Rogers or won't deal with Bell and some already were like that with Telus. You gotta go where it is the best deal for yourself. PM has had huge amounts of new subscribers see the reward points were introduced so they have been growing without having to discount there plans like they were. They have obviously reached a point where this growth will offset any loss of Legacy Reward users leaving
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03-21-2024 09:48 PM
34 US plan here with $7 in loyalty + auto pay.
I'm out the minute my card is charged at a different rate than I agreed to.
Along with disputes to both agencies and through my CC.
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03-21-2024 09:44 PM
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03-21-2024 09:43 PM
@Public_Cust_17 wrote:@Soon-ex-PM-user but they really appreciate your loyalty.. hahaha
Yes, they definitely do...
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03-21-2024 09:43 PM
@G_Pomzz - The PM community forum can be wonky at times, check here if your posts are unmoderated. CS_Agents don't do anything with the Unmoderated tab and stuff that should get posted.
https://productioncommunity.publicmobile.ca/t5/premod/moderationitemspage/tab/rejected
But hopefully try go on PM Reddit OR even go to the lounge - there is less restrictions for what to post.
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03-21-2024 09:37 PM
Yup, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
PM has probably responded to more CCTS complaints in the last month than in the history of the company.
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03-21-2024 09:27 PM - edited 03-21-2024 09:41 PM
How many existing customers leaving is a tangible measurement. But consider the intangible effect. Namely, potential new customers from the other telecoms (tier 1, tier 2, tier 3) and first-time subscribers. Its a competitive market and many people are undecided which way to go. If the deciding factor is the feeling that Telus(PM) can’t be trusted, that could be the deciding factor to stay away. If the backlash were to grow large and loud enough, Telus(PM) might blink and make, at the very least, some meaningful concessions. One thing is certain, without any negative feedback, we might as well line up outside of Telus’ HQ, drop our pants, bend over and grab our ankles…
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03-21-2024 09:17 PM
@G_Pomzz I am going to say that the average plan cost is WAY below $30. I would say that most of the people that will be leaving are the ones on the $15 plan. I am sure they have calculated the revenue loss from people leaving versus those who stay and pay the additional $7 a cycle.
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03-21-2024 08:47 PM
Based on all the negative comments regarding the rewards/points debacle. Is it possible that there could be several thousand or more defections to other providers. But if they move to Telus or Koodo, it's not really a loss.
But say 3,000 leave outright then 3,000 x $30/mth avg = $90,000/mth or $1,080,000 year loss. Is that really going to hurt the bottom line of a company with $14 billion in revenue?
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03-21-2024 08:43 PM - edited 03-21-2024 08:44 PM
@Getzeby wrote:Okay thanks for clarifying...I currently have the $25/month plan and get $3 off per month for friend refferals so would I still get the $3off then starting in May but just not the other ones you mentioned?
@Getzeby after the rewards system change, you will be paying the full price first, $25, every renewal , then get 1.25 points (5% of $25) plus 3 points (friend referrals) every renewal. On the anniversary, you will get an extra 10 points
Every time you accumulated 15 points, you can redeem for $15 bill credit
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03-21-2024 08:39 PM
Okay thanks for clarifying...I currently have the $25/month plan and get $3 off per month for friend refferals so would I still get the $3off then starting in May but just not the other ones you mentioned?
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03-21-2024 07:13 PM
I've tried to post my rebuttal to their CCTS objection three times and it's not posting.... very strange..
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03-21-2024 07:10 PM - edited 03-21-2024 08:30 PM
Will it be April? (genuinely asking)
Is the change not starting in May, thus many will see it after that?
Have you put in just one support ticket (not that you should have to); perhaps place a 2nd one.
EDIT: Respective post since updated, above comments no longer relevant to edited post.
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03-21-2024 07:04 PM - edited 03-21-2024 07:20 PM
Exactly this. Come May, once people get their first credit card statement, PM is going to be flooded with people seeking customer service, and as we know, PM isn't really prepared for that as of now (I've been waiting since last Wednesday for a CS Agent to answer me). This is when PM's customer service will really be put to the test. They better be prepping for this, because if not, they're going to have even more angry customers on their hands (and more people leaving).
Edit: Typo, wrote April by mistake.
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03-21-2024 07:01 PM
@Soon-ex-PM-user but they really appreciate your loyalty.. hahaha
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03-21-2024 06:58 PM - edited 03-21-2024 06:59 PM
@Wolfcore they'll only fool them until they get the bill unless their bill is huge or they're really bad at math! LOL
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03-21-2024 06:58 PM - edited 03-21-2024 07:35 PM
based on your post, I am assuming that you have only 1 referral - so this translates to 1 point but only if your friend stays.
The $8 monthly reward will translate to very small points. Assuming that you are on a $34 plan then the reward points of 2.53 ($34*0.05 + $10/12)
So you will pay the full amount of $34 plus taxes for many months. And only when you've accumulated 15 points then you can use it - lol assuming if you remember to login to your PM account to use the 15 points or $15 discount in the next bill.
Is this fun with the new Public Mobile points rewards system? 😂
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03-21-2024 06:55 PM
@Soon-ex-PM-user weasel words.. I would like an explanation though on what "even more" I can earn on.. so far it's once a year 10 points and 5% of my bill in the future... and that's more how???? It sure isn't more discount and it's not even more ways to earn since the auto-pay aka subscription is being removed. My future loyalty will very much mimic theirs.. after my April bill auto-pay is a thing of the past as PM themselves may well be unless they change their planned rip-off.
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03-21-2024 06:54 PM
Hahah, I know, they're shameless. Even funnier than that, is in their FAQ, where they mention that this change is in order to give us the best possible value (when the reality is that it's objectively giving us less value lmao). Sad thing is, they'll dupe a few people with it, and I guess that's all they care about.
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03-21-2024 06:45 PM
lol how can Public Mobile mentions this with a straight face 'Public Points lets you earn on even more, and gives you the flexibility to spend on what you want'
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