03-06-2024 11:07 AM - last edited on 03-09-2024 12:32 PM by ShawnC13
Hey Community,
We have an important announcement to share with our subscribers who are currently enrolled in our old Rewards program.
We’re making changes to our rewards program and are sharing how these changes impact some of our subscribers. Starting in May, we’ll be retiring our old Rewards program and moving all subscribers to our Public Points™ program.
We launched the Public Points™ program in January 2022 to provide our subscribers with more ways to earn and spend rewards, with greater flexibility. As part of our commitment to continuously evolve our products and services, it's time to retire our old Rewards program and shift our focus on enhancing our Points program.
To show our appreciation for your continued loyalty, subscribers on our old Rewards program will receive a special thank you. We'll send you a text message when it has been added to your account by March 31st.
We’re excited to continue providing you, our valued subscribers, more opportunities to earn and spend rewards with Public Points™ moving forward.
To learn more about your move to Public Points, check out our FAQ here.
The Public Mobile Team
03-21-2024 09:27 PM - edited 03-21-2024 09:41 PM
How many existing customers leaving is a tangible measurement. But consider the intangible effect. Namely, potential new customers from the other telecoms (tier 1, tier 2, tier 3) and first-time subscribers. Its a competitive market and many people are undecided which way to go. If the deciding factor is the feeling that Telus(PM) can’t be trusted, that could be the deciding factor to stay away. If the backlash were to grow large and loud enough, Telus(PM) might blink and make, at the very least, some meaningful concessions. One thing is certain, without any negative feedback, we might as well line up outside of Telus’ HQ, drop our pants, bend over and grab our ankles…
03-21-2024 09:17 PM
@G_Pomzz I am going to say that the average plan cost is WAY below $30. I would say that most of the people that will be leaving are the ones on the $15 plan. I am sure they have calculated the revenue loss from people leaving versus those who stay and pay the additional $7 a cycle.
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03-21-2024 08:47 PM
Based on all the negative comments regarding the rewards/points debacle. Is it possible that there could be several thousand or more defections to other providers. But if they move to Telus or Koodo, it's not really a loss.
But say 3,000 leave outright then 3,000 x $30/mth avg = $90,000/mth or $1,080,000 year loss. Is that really going to hurt the bottom line of a company with $14 billion in revenue?
03-21-2024 08:43 PM - edited 03-21-2024 08:44 PM
@Getzeby wrote:Okay thanks for clarifying...I currently have the $25/month plan and get $3 off per month for friend refferals so would I still get the $3off then starting in May but just not the other ones you mentioned?
@Getzeby after the rewards system change, you will be paying the full price first, $25, every renewal , then get 1.25 points (5% of $25) plus 3 points (friend referrals) every renewal. On the anniversary, you will get an extra 10 points
Every time you accumulated 15 points, you can redeem for $15 bill credit
03-21-2024 08:39 PM
Okay thanks for clarifying...I currently have the $25/month plan and get $3 off per month for friend refferals so would I still get the $3off then starting in May but just not the other ones you mentioned?
03-21-2024 07:13 PM
I've tried to post my rebuttal to their CCTS objection three times and it's not posting.... very strange..
03-21-2024 07:10 PM - edited 03-21-2024 08:30 PM
Will it be April? (genuinely asking)
Is the change not starting in May, thus many will see it after that?
Have you put in just one support ticket (not that you should have to); perhaps place a 2nd one.
EDIT: Respective post since updated, above comments no longer relevant to edited post.
03-21-2024 07:04 PM - edited 03-21-2024 07:20 PM
Exactly this. Come May, once people get their first credit card statement, PM is going to be flooded with people seeking customer service, and as we know, PM isn't really prepared for that as of now (I've been waiting since last Wednesday for a CS Agent to answer me). This is when PM's customer service will really be put to the test. They better be prepping for this, because if not, they're going to have even more angry customers on their hands (and more people leaving).
Edit: Typo, wrote April by mistake.
03-21-2024 07:01 PM
@Soon-ex-PM-user but they really appreciate your loyalty.. hahaha
03-21-2024 06:58 PM - edited 03-21-2024 06:59 PM
@Wolfcore they'll only fool them until they get the bill unless their bill is huge or they're really bad at math! LOL
03-21-2024 06:58 PM - edited 03-21-2024 07:35 PM
based on your post, I am assuming that you have only 1 referral - so this translates to 1 point but only if your friend stays.
The $8 monthly reward will translate to very small points. Assuming that you are on a $34 plan then the reward points of 2.53 ($34*0.05 + $10/12)
So you will pay the full amount of $34 plus taxes for many months. And only when you've accumulated 15 points then you can use it - lol assuming if you remember to login to your PM account to use the 15 points or $15 discount in the next bill.
Is this fun with the new Public Mobile points rewards system? 😂
03-21-2024 06:55 PM
@Soon-ex-PM-user weasel words.. I would like an explanation though on what "even more" I can earn on.. so far it's once a year 10 points and 5% of my bill in the future... and that's more how???? It sure isn't more discount and it's not even more ways to earn since the auto-pay aka subscription is being removed. My future loyalty will very much mimic theirs.. after my April bill auto-pay is a thing of the past as PM themselves may well be unless they change their planned rip-off.
03-21-2024 06:54 PM
Hahah, I know, they're shameless. Even funnier than that, is in their FAQ, where they mention that this change is in order to give us the best possible value (when the reality is that it's objectively giving us less value lmao). Sad thing is, they'll dupe a few people with it, and I guess that's all they care about.
03-21-2024 06:45 PM
lol how can Public Mobile mentions this with a straight face 'Public Points lets you earn on even more, and gives you the flexibility to spend on what you want'
100 false
03-21-2024 06:30 PM
That means they are not honouring a thing as they promised they would.
English.
03-21-2024 06:29 PM
Yes. It will go up because PM is screwing over customers.
03-21-2024 06:28 PM
Bud...We know, and PM lied that they would never take away the loyalty and grandfathered discount. They built their community on Loyalty discounts and a brand on that community.
So take a lap and reflect.
03-21-2024 05:29 PM
you won't be losing all $9, you will only loss some depends on how many friends referrals are there in the $9
PM is retiring the old reward system, and everyone will be migrated on the new Public Points system. With the new points system, the points will be added to your account every month and the discount will be be applied monthly
Basically the loyalty rewards (maybe $1 to $5 depends on your account) and autopay rewards ($2) will be gone. You will instead be paying full plan price first and earn points for bill credit. You will earn 5% back in point of the amount you pay ( you will pay in full first and earn points), as well as the referral rewards will be pay in point. Every year on your anniversary, you will earn another 10 points. Whenever you accumulated 15 points, you can redeem for $15 bill credit and will be used towards the next renewal
03-21-2024 05:23 PM - edited 03-21-2024 06:32 PM
You'll lose the $2 autopay and the $1 for each year reward (max $5). With the new rewards system you get 5% of your monthly bill and $10 worth of points once a year. When you've saved up $15 worth you can apply that to $15 off a bill. So it'll most likely cost you more unless you're paying one big bill. 😕
Friend referral points remain the same... until your friends leave or PM decides to change that too.
03-21-2024 05:22 PM - edited 03-21-2024 05:23 PM
@Getzeby wrote:Hi,
I'm still not sure if this means my monthly bill will go up when the new rewards kicks in?
As of right now I've earned 9$ off each bill with refer a friend auto pay and loyalty, so does this mean my bill will go up $9 each month?
Thanks
@Getzeby Going forward you will have to pay the full plan price until you accumulate sufficient points (15 points = 15 dollars) to redeem towards your bill.
03-21-2024 05:14 PM
Hi,
I'm still not sure if this means my monthly bill will go up when the new rewards kicks in?
As of right now I've earned 9$ off each bill with refer a friend auto pay and loyalty, so does this mean my bill will go up $9 each month?
Thanks
03-21-2024 04:29 PM
hi @PCIrish you are correct, they won't take away the rewards you already earned, they just changing how rewards will be earned after everyone moved to the new system
03-21-2024 03:24 PM
Oh, they'll honor the rewards that you have already. You just won't be able to accrue any more of them after May. Each month is a brand new contract.
03-21-2024 12:17 PM
I just switched one of my lines that was on the new reward system. I will be switching out my legacy account once my discount is over. Public Mobile phone quality isn't that great, so I'll need to look for another company soon.
Maybe I'll try out Virgin Mobile and see if they have a better phone call quality/connection.
03-21-2024 12:06 PM
@eyes wrote:You have taken the time to list some good opinions -- HOWEVER...
First of all we may not like it BUT we are not being cheated by Public Mobile in any way shape or form. Many of us including myself most of the time do not take notice of disclaimers - but they are there and it's our bad if we don't read and consider them before entering the - as in this PM case short 30 day agreement that are subject to change. Not to be insensitive but if $84 / year increase will hurt your budget then maybe it's a bit foolish to maintain a cell phone prepaid plan.
They literally said users would keep the rewards as long as the account remains active.
Then said this statement may actually be a lie depending on how we feel about our loyal customers in the future.
03-21-2024 12:00 PM
03-21-2024 11:49 AM
@eyes You haven't made investments of time, goodwill, or even monetary considerations to promote those businesses profits or subscriber base - the analogy doesn't speak to the issues at hand. Nobody is denying inflation and increases are expected however, this increase represents hundreds to thousandths of percent increases to the plans that some worked toward establishing. Before anybody pipes back with a 'woe is me' comment, don't bother. You have your opinion and that's fine but you're not the one being affected to that degree and it's not likely you spent the hours, goodwill, and material assets to achieve that lower priced cell plan.
The discounts have become established ,in part, as consideration for building a loyal subscriber base, end of story. Many loyalty programs eventually devalue their liabilities (accounts payable) and screw over their patrons however rarely to this degree. It's all completely misguided and mismanaged. Inflation is supposed to hit the plan prices, not the discounts for those loyal patrons who earned that consideration. One might even be comfortable with having the 5 year loyalty discount changed in nature to fit the new program but they're not doing that - they are simply erasing it and the motivation for some long term subscribers. I've lost one of my referrals that was over 4 years old and for every one more that leaves (and there will likely be many more) than this whole thing gets even worse for those who invested in building those referrals.
Yes things change but generally speaking - you can't expect people to be happy with being 'cheated' out of an expected cell plan price established for many years and a discount that is actually capped at 5 and doesn't substantively affect the Telus bottom line. Their loyalty program was established long ago and has had some changes even before I joined however, it has always been a substantive, defined, and marketed incentive for the plans offered to lure subscribers and engage referral work but more than that, may constitute a 'contract' of consideration for services rendered in bringing friends and family over to PM. Yes of course they have lawyers and feel confident in their actions to change in the interests of increasing ARPU/ARMU to appease shareholders and secure pay bonuses/incentives at the c-suite level, but when a company uses the letters of contract law to reverse longstanding considerations which stretch beyond the simple concept of a loyalty program, well, that's why there are other lawyers, class-action law suits, CCTS, CRTC, and good old fashion protests. In the face of 'K*rens' who like to participate in a thread that doesn't apply to them or company shills who serve to censor or diminish the voices here, there is a strong contempt among a very great number of people who will be affected by a variable increase to their monthly budgets. On a yearly basis that looks like $84 - 5% of plan cost but what few are realizing is that there will be further substantive increases when their referrals leave because of this. Those referred may only be losing $2-$7/month but it's motivation enough to seek other providers.
Now, consider this strategy (no I'm not a conspiracist but) so insidious that the intent to some degree is to drive that referral base away only to then lure them back with some other promise! It's a simple and very well established principle in business, it costs far more money to earn a new subscriber than to keep a loyal one. It costs even more when you consider that PM is losing advocates, promoters, and forum support 'staff' (a title applicable to those members who spend hours in these forums supporting other users for a monetary consideration on their upcoming bills).
03-21-2024 10:57 AM - edited 03-21-2024 11:04 AM
Let’s face it, PM would not have proceeded unless they were sure they were in their legal right to do so. However, there is room to make an adjustment that does not impact them financially - scrap the need to accumulate 15 points before redemption AND then forcing the subscriber to manually apply it themselves. They could at least retain the automatic application of rewards against each monthly bill.
03-21-2024 10:16 AM
Public Mobile didn't give me 5GB bonus as the email promised. I was on the $15 plan when I received the email and my plan renewed to the Can-US plan as scheduled on Monday. Yesterday I got a text that I had been gifted 240GB by PM. Now I will lose the bonus if I change plans, I was kind of hoping for the 5GB bonus that's compatible with all plans so I could switch freely. I can't believe how elaborately they have programmed this bonus. I miss the no strings attached add-ons of the past.
03-21-2024 08:40 AM
Not yet. My complaint with CCTS was just filed. I'm waiting for Public Mobile to respond.