11-07-2016 10:56 AM - edited 01-04-2022 01:11 PM
UPDATED: July 5/18 including SD08's post.
First a word of CAUTION: the following analysis is based on personal experience and observing posts to this forum, and has not been confirmed officially by Public Mobile.
It was helpful to me in understanding these issues to think of PM as having two separate systems: System A. being one that takes money, and System B. one that provisions services.
ALSO, no explanation really suffices when you have paid enough for your plan AND have no service.
EXPIRED vs SUSPENDED
Just before midnight on the day your plan expires System A changes your account status to Expired and begins looking for money. At midnight your account status shows "Suspended". A few hours later all your Rewards are credited to your account as Available Funds and Rewards are reset. System A then compares the Rewards just credited to your plan cost (say $120). If Cost > Available Funds the remainder is charged to your credit card IF you have autopay turned on. At this point System A says to System B “We have $120” and System B compares $120 to your plan cost. Assuming $120 is equal or greater than your plan cost System B provisions your services.
On the other hand, if you are paying manually, or if your credit card fails, System A says “I have $100” and System B “Suspend services” because you’ve not yet paid $120. At this point your phone stops working EVEN though you have paid part of your plan cost. Your account status now becomes “Suspended”.
AVAILABLE FUNDS vs REWARDS
Took me quite a while to figure this out, but Rewards are not “Available Funds” until midnight on your expiry date. Until then Available Funds are ONLY credits or money you have paid.
AUTOMATIC PLAN CHANGE GLITCHES at Expiry
These seem to be abating. I think they arise because of miscommunication between System A and B triggered by System B updating to your new plan too late. There are two cases:
1. old plan was $120, new plan is $90. System A takes $90 and tells System B “We have $90”. System B has not yet updated and thinks you are still on the old plan. Therefore service is Suspended because $90 is less than $120.
2. old plan was $42 new plan is $120, so System A takes $120 and at midnight tells System B “We have $120”. System B says “great” but again provisions the old plan so service is not suspended and you have a credit of $78.
So in Case 1., the only foolproof way to avoid service suspension during an automatic plan change is to make a manual payment such that Available Funds plus Rewards at least equals your old plan cost.
The moderators can quickly (i.e. not during promo periods) clear up these automatic plan changes glitches.
Clearly I have too much time on my hands! ©
11-22-2019 09:05 PM
Thank you for explaining It is so easy to panic
08-12-2017 03:08 PM
@Mana wrote:@Luddite great analysis, thanks.
Would it it be fair to say that there may be a system C that accumulates community rewards, referrals, etc and communicates all the info to system A?
When system C fails to communicate to system A, that's when issues such as missing referrals and rewards arise that some people are experiencing?
Seems about right to me. 👍👍
08-12-2017 01:45 PM
appreciate the detailed post, thanks.
12-19-2016 11:36 PM
@Luddite great analysis, thanks.
Would it it be fair to say that there may be a system C that accumulates community rewards, referrals, etc and communicates all the info to system A?
When system C fails to communicate to system A, that's when issues such as missing referrals and rewards arise that some people are experiencing?
12-19-2016 05:46 PM
@imm1304 wrote:
Just one exception to the "Available funds" category. The very first Autopay reward instantly goes in to Available funds and stays there until next renewal date. All subsequent autopay rewards are displayed in the "My Rewards" section.
Does this "one" exception also apply to Refer-A-Friend Rewards? I ask because my Transaction History explicitly gave me a "$16 Reward - Community" (for activity/badges) and a "$3 Reward - Community" (for friend referral) on the last cycle, but only "$10 Reward - Community" (for my somewhat diminished Community activity/badges) on this cycle.
12-19-2016 11:44 AM
12-19-2016 11:37 AM
@imm1304 wrote:@kan, you will have 90 days from the day your account is suspended to make a payment and renew the plan you are on.
So, as @Rockdaddy22 said, you won't lose your plan.
I get you don't lose your plan, but how quickly do you lose service?
Say if your issue isn't resolved in 3 days and your account is "suspended" over that time, will you lose service?
12-07-2016 01:05 AM
12-07-2016 12:21 AM
Hi guys,
I am using PM and i was on 120 plan 6 gb and i changed my plan with the 12gb promotional and at that time it was saying future plan due on billing date and today is a billing date. Now i just logged in my account and seeing that my acount has been suspended and it was auto pay... I dont know what to do now...
12-01-2016 07:41 AM
ok i understand now why my sevice is not back yet but i like to change pin number because i forget so with the plan i would like to change plan and remove my automated payment I already payed thanks
11-24-2016 02:15 PM
Autopay is hit or miss when you do a plan change. It worked out fine the first time; it even bump me up from 3GB plan to 6GB correctly. But this 12GB, it failed, badly, to the point where if I didn't do a manual payment I would be in danger of losing service. This just shouldn't happen.
11-22-2016 01:21 AM - edited 11-22-2016 01:22 AM
I'll be watching my account like a hawk come first Autopay renewal Jan 29
You are currently registered for dynamic Autopay
11-15-2016 12:30 PM
@kan, you will have 90 days from the day your account is suspended to make a payment and renew the plan you are on.
So, as @Rockdaddy22 said, you won't lose your plan.
11-15-2016 12:21 PM
11-15-2016 11:35 AM
Okay this sort of half answers a question i have.
looking at your post and at the knowledge base link http://productioncommunity.publicmobile.ca/t5/Knowledge-Base/All-about-our-Plans-and-Add-ons/ta-p/22... at the part about suspension for 90 days.
If auto pay for some reason doesnt happen and your account goes into a suspended mode are you suspended with your same plan until you pay, like will we keep this 90 day/12gb plan while in suspended mode for a few days in limbo? or will we lose it immediatly?
11-14-2016 04:38 PM
@Luddite wrote:@NDesai Yes, that is my understanding of the sequence for rewards vs funds.
System first minus rewards. When you go to My rewards, it will say actual amount due which is Plan Cost - rewards. So, rewards are FIRST minused from total plan cost and not available funds. After subtracting rewards, it will take available funds/credit card. If none available then it awaits for payment.
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11-14-2016 04:34 PM
@NDesai Yes, that is my understanding of the sequence for rewards vs funds.
11-14-2016 04:30 PM
@Luddite wrote:
AVAILABLE FUNDS vs REWARDS
Took me quite a while to figure this out, but Rewards are not “Available Funds” until your expiry date. Available funds are ONLY the money you have paid. So on your expiry date, System A takes available funds but then waits until you add enough money to equal (remaining plan cost - rewards) then actually gives you the Rewards.
Are you sure about this?
What i understood is that the system takes available funds first. Let say i have $50. My payment due is $120-$50. Leftover is $70, then it minuses rewards? What if someone has $100 available funds and $25 rewards? Does the $5 remain in rewards or available funds?
I thought they first minus the rewards and then take due amount from available funds. If no available funds, then it charges on your cc or awaits for available funds if there is no cc on the account.
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11-14-2016 02:47 PM
@shrimpdude, I agree. I am curisouly looking out for new plan change request failures now since the maintenance outage. Not sure yet if its fixed.
11-14-2016 01:39 PM - edited 11-14-2016 02:50 PM
This is a big problem, and Public Mobile needs to acknowledge that there are issues with specific functions in their system. Why do they even allow automatic plan changes if they never work correctly?
11-13-2016 03:05 AM
11-07-2016 11:09 AM
Useful explanation, @Luddite
Just one exception to the "Available funds" category. The very first Autopay reward instantly goes in to Available funds and stays there until next renewal date. All subsequent autopay rewards are displayed in the "My Rewards" section.
Also worth noting is that the available funds are equivalent to cash and stay as balance until used. Rewards,if unused, expire every billing period. So, if anyone earns Rewards that are more than the amount they owe on next bill, its not carried forward.
11-07-2016 11:00 AM
Lol ya basicly they are probbily working hard to fix it since alot have no service now