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Upcoming Changes to our Old Rewards Program

J_PM
Public Mobile
Public Mobile

Hey Community,

We have an important announcement to share with our subscribers who are currently enrolled in our old Rewards program.

We’re making changes to our rewards program and are sharing how these changes impact some of our subscribers. Starting in May, we’ll be retiring our old Rewards program and moving all subscribers to our Public Points™ program. 

We launched the Public Points™ program in January 2022 to provide our subscribers with more ways to earn and spend rewards, with greater flexibility. As part of our commitment to continuously evolve our products and services, it's time to retire our old Rewards program and shift our focus on enhancing our Points program.

To show our appreciation for your continued loyalty, subscribers on our old Rewards program will receive a special thank you. We'll send you a text message when it has been added to your account by March 31st. 

We’re excited to continue providing you, our valued subscribers, more opportunities to earn and spend rewards with Public Points™ moving forward.

To learn more about your move to Public Points, check out our FAQ here.

The Public Mobile Team

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JJLuke1
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

I normally don’t post on this forum, but thought I’d chime in a few points here, albeit from a different angle.

I am a long-term heavily invested Telus shareholder so I understand this move is meant to in theory increase overall average revenue per user (ARPU) by converting a direct discount into extra revenues two ways: 1. By sidelining cash savings to points which need to be applied by the customer, and 2. By squeezing margin from existing customers. Telus with their Optik Internet/TV and Mobile plans do something similar by periodically adjusting their prices to create greater profitability from the existing customer base, churn aside and all else equal.

I strongly feel this decision was made without considering the strategy of what Public Mobile was/is SUPPOSED to be, and this is a knee-jerk reaction from Telus management to overcome their recent performance slumps. By design, PM is positioned to be a higher volume, low cost/margin “fighter” or “flanker” brand, meaning they capture the price-conscious, self-serve types of customers that their other brands (Telus, Koodoo) cannot offer due to their strategies. For the reasons everyone here has explained in their replies, PM customers are very price sensitive. Personally, I moved to PM as I was tired of Telus/Koodo doing their price squeezes and having to deal with their loyalty teams. I do the “bring my own device” plans to maximize my flexibility.

What the previous direct discount model brought Public Mobile, frankly, is “indifference” to other options, which was a brilliant tactic. In other words, the yearly loyalty discount created a price disparity favouring PM and thus customer indifference to other competitor offerings. In many cases, when an appealing offer came up from a competitor, the yearly tabulated loyalty savings created this indifference and thus maintained the revenue streams. I felt I did not want to lose "tenure" to capture a few dollars, knowing full well I'd make it up in the long run with loyalty. This is a user base PM can count on. You may not make everyone happy, but it was an easy and working system. Plus with PM, this was an equitable mechanism for loyalty (short of having incredible negotiating skills with Telus loyalty teams).

Removing these direct discounts now exposes the existing customer (remember, these are price sensitive and generally savvy customers in BYOD situations) in a position to be more elastic and sensitive towards competitor offerings. I wonder how many new customers are required to replace the lifetime revenues of a long term churned customer lost to this change, i.e., those who would have stuck it out four or five years to maximize their discounts. These new customers will only stay as long as they can until something better comes along, and average customer tenure will plummet. Above all else, these customers are not on contracts and can navigate between providers at will.

I realize the PM/Telus folks likely have modelled or analyzed the potential impact of this change. I’m really hoping they did the full math to consider the consequential secondary fallout. I am in a unique position as an investor - I am all for more profits as my yearly Telus dividends exceed what I pay for my family’s phone plans. However, I am gravely concerned and I fear the domino effect of this change, particularly when you consider referrals and loyalty frameworks can begin to collapse and implode, and the new customer base coming in will not have incentive to put in the tenure due to the offerings. This is a fundamental mission misalignment with PM. The margin squeezing strategy can and does work for Telus and maybe Koodo to an extent but will cause some significant uproar with PM and significant, possibly irreparable, collateral damage down the line.

traycer2
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

Well, so much for rewarding customer loyalty, I guess! And on top of that, a "thank you" gift that expires before I'll even need it? Time to consider the competition now.

@Chalupa_Batman I had my phone bill down to $0 before I became an Oracle.  Referrals have moved on but htis affects my family lines as well and that is what I was referring to as why pay more for plans somewhere else just to "prove a point" to Telus.  

I have been fielding calls and text messages all day from referrals and my referrals-referrals so it has been a busy day trying to explain the changes and let them decide if PM is still the place for them.  Not happy with the forced migration but we all knew the day would come when PM would do this.

 


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Burdwood
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

@GKPublic wrote:



So that’s why we were holding out on converting to the new points system, and a bucket of data I don’t need for 150 days isn’t worth anything to me, sadly… unless perhaps I downgrade for a few months?  Anyone considering this?

 


If you read the Points FAQs linked in the OP, they say that you lose your bonus data if you switch plans.

We have one account, in which we have to use up available funds and non-expiring data before porting out, that we'll change plans on. But we won't have that first hand experience until sometime in MAy or June. Sorry.

Zahir_h
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

They are shills.  They know full well this is not going to be a significant impact to them because of the amount of points they are getting from PM. 

Chalupa_Batman
Mayor / Maire

 


@ShawnC13 wrote:

@Korth_ wrote:

@ShawnC13 wrote:
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@Korth_ yes understandable but until it financially doesn't make sense for me to be with PM I can't justify spending more of my money to prove a point to Telus.  I should have started with great to see you around still!


Not to step on toes @ShawnC13 but your an Oracle. You get a guaranteed 20 points per 30 days for the position which is $20 credit to your account once converted. Plus if you happen to have any referrals which I'm sure you do...   not sure how much of a phone bill you actually have. People who have been here for 5 years or more and have auto pay are losing $7 a month plus any of their referrals that leave due to this. That's a huge financial hit for a lot of people here. 

TheRockGamers1
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

Thanks for the post.  I've added my displeasure. 

ninjastar
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

Or hit them in the pocket and port out...

ninjastar
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

I see some replies are being removed. Wouldn't want to express opinions and show opposition to a sideswipe job. 

GKPublic
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

I’m gutted by this change like most of us are, but I’m going to break down the difference here.  I’m due to earn one more month of the old rewards: $2 autopay, $2 refer a friend, $5 loyalty (just rolled over to $5 from $4 ☹️)  = $9.

 New Public Points: 2 points refer a friend, 1.7 points (5% of $34) , about 0.83 points per month paid out on the anniversary date = 4.53 points per month, roughly $4.50 in value.  

So for me, the new Public Points are half as good, which isn’t that bad, but my referred family members fare worse with the dropping of the autopay bonus.  

My bill is rising from $25 to about $29.50, but in another important way, Public Points are worse: it’s not immediately discounted, so I have to pay $34 plus tax instead of $25 plus tax, then remember to use the points periodically.  A good proportion of people will forget about them or not know how to redeem them.  Use them or not, we’re paying sales taxes on a higher base.  

So that’s why we were holding out on converting to the new points system, and a bucket of data I don’t need for 150 days isn’t worth anything to me, sadly… unless perhaps I downgrade for a few months?  Anyone considering this?

 

Zahir_h
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

The tags on the OP are great which are being added by users, and PM mods keep having to delete / remove them 🤣

fixin
Deputy Mayor / Adjoint au Maire

@teatime_54321 wrote:

I’ll add that it’s ironic that just 1 week ago the federal government tried to summon the CEOs of Bell, Rogers, and Telus (Public Mobile and sister Koodo’s parent company)  about Canadians paying too much for internet prices.

Telus was hush hush at the time with executive quotes about “not banking on” immediate price increases. 1 week later Public Mobile is ditching their legacy rewards increasing the bills the most for people on their most affordable plans, and Koodo is increasing the price of their $29 Black Friday from just a few months ago. Bell and Rogers got grilled about their price increases but looks like Telus gets a free pass unless people go to the press and MPs about this. 


Yes, they do get a free pass, but they can be summoned forcefully for a meeting. Also, Telus's loyalty discounts make us stay for PureFibre Internet + Optik TV.

teatime_54321
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

I’ll add that it’s ironic that just 1 week ago the federal government tried to summon the CEOs of Bell, Rogers, and Telus (Public Mobile and sister Koodo’s parent company)  about Canadians paying too much for internet prices.

Telus was hush hush at the time with executive quotes about “not banking on” immediate price increases. 1 week later Public Mobile is ditching their legacy rewards increasing the bills the most for people on their most affordable plans, and Koodo is increasing the price of their $29 Black Friday from just a few months ago. Bell and Rogers got grilled about their price increases but looks like Telus gets a free pass unless people go to the press and MPs about this. 

Burdwood
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

@ShawnC13 wrote:

@Korth_ wrote:

@ShawnC13 wrote:
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o me that is crazy why would I want to give up more money to someone else to try and prove a point?

It's an emotional response. But not an irrational one.

People have left Public Mobile before when Public Mobile broke the trust. If they broke the trust before - again and again and again - then it would be irrational not to expect them to break the trust again.


@Korth_ yes understandable but until it financially doesn't make sense for me to be with PM I can't justify spending more of my money to prove a point to Telus.  I should have started with great to see you around still!


The people that are hit the most by this are on $15 and $13 plans, making their new full yearly cost about double at $180 and $156 (Points Back are really neglectable with these amounts). For plans with restrictions!

We are lucky to be in quite solid Freedom native coverage (saying that this is not an option for everyone of those plans!), and will take advantage of their yearly plans (no restriction and more data than at PM). The loyalty discount was the only thing that kept these numbers at PM.

SMALLBLOCK1
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

Brutal!! 😡

Salvo1
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

This new point thing I hope it's a early April Fool's joke !!!!

@fixin we can hope gut I don't think they will be reversing this decision.

 


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@happycamper I am not sure any consumer regulatory power can say much.  Public mobile is giving notice and they aren't bound to offer a rewards system.  I am sure somewhere in the small print it says can change with notice of posting in the community.  That is how price changes were listed that they only needed to post the price change on the plans page 30 days prior to the effective date and that is all that was needed.  PM being a no contract based system is great for consumers not being locked it but I think benefits them as well with flexibility that after 30 days notice they could be making more money with price changes.

 


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Burdwood
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

@happycamper wrote:

 

Having said that, I have tons of add ons that were free so will have to carefully compare before making any changes....I have been customer for 5 + years.

 


With all the stunts they are pulling right now, you will probably not get to use the oh so generous limited time bonus data until all your non-expiring is gone.  

 

We have kept several $10 $13 as emergency phones for less fortunate aquaintances. Some can't afford to keep a roof over their head, every penny in their pocket counts. Oh hey, lets hit them with a doubled cell phone bill!

@happycamper   Unfortunately, this wouldn't be the first time that PM has left it's customers in confusion due to sloppy miscommunications or not removing all of the information from the different platforms.  However, take a screenshot and argue your point (totally valid IMO) that they give you that credit as shown in your Account.  Good luck!


@Korth_ wrote:

@ShawnC13 wrote:
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o me that is crazy why would I want to give up more money to someone else to try and prove a point?

It's an emotional response. But not an irrational one.

People have left Public Mobile before when Public Mobile broke the trust. If they broke the trust before - again and again and again - then it would be irrational not to expect them to break the trust again.


@Korth_ yes understandable but until it financially doesn't make sense for me to be with PM I can't justify spending more of my money to prove a point to Telus.  I should have started with great to see you around still!

 


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happycamper
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

this info is still  inside my account right now - which I took a pic of ....so I think they may have an issue here

 


@HALIMACS wrote:

@hTideGnow wrote:

@BeeBeeb wrote:

Theres literally no point in us staying anymore, is there?


 

HI @BeeBeeb 

actually quite the opposite.  There's literally POINTS to stay. Public Points  🤣😅😄


At least someone's trying to be humorous about this ...  @hTideGnow 

 


What's the point in carrying this discussion further ?  🤣

fixin
Deputy Mayor / Adjoint au Maire

@happycamper wrote:

WOW...just got the email....not very impressed with this forced conversion...first thing I did was go into my account and take screen shots of most of pages...for example if you go into the public points page within your account, it talks about converting to Public points and what it means to you....so if you convert say, right now...you will get 1 point for every month you have been with PR and then the 10 points on anniversary.  Plus for referrals it says I can earn up to 4 points for my referrals each month (i have 4 referrals on acct) .   Are we better to convert right now with documentary evidence on account to make a good argument to CRTC.

Also, I'm not sure what CRTC or other  Consumer regulatory powers would have to say about a forced conversion to a very obvious downgraded plan that will cost consumers much more...and then trying to change some Public rewards rules just before the forced conversion....pretty low on PM's (read Telus) part.

Having said that, I have tons of add ons that were free so will have to carefully compare before making any changes....I have been customer for 5 + years.

 


I say wait till they force you to do it. They may cancel the change because of backlash.

@happycamper   PM removed the option to convert to points with the one-time credit of 1 point/each month with PM one day before this announcement.  You will not get any benefit by transferring to points before the mandatory date now.

ninjastar
Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

 

"I understand why people are upset but comments about actually paying more everywhere just so true doesn't get their money?!?! To me that is crazy why would I want to give up more money to someone else to try and prove a point?"

That's right. That's what I said. I will pay $1 more elsewhere for proper service and appreciation. Loyalty is earned. I don't care about the hike. I care about the efforts I earned and now are being stripped away. It was the wrong way to do it. This just tells me that there is a financial issue and possibly a sell off for a new buyer. 

Korth_
Town Hero / Héro de la Ville

@none21 wrote:

This is terrible news just another way Public Mobile is trying to screw over loyal clients that have helped build them up over the years.

I suggest everyone file a complaint with CCTS and hopefully Telus will get the message not to screw over their loyal clients.


Public Mobile messed up once before in a way that caused thousands, ten thousands of subscribers to sign a petition to the CCTS.

The first and only time such a thing ever happened to the CCTS. They chided the petitioners for circumventing their normal protocols and made it clear that such petitions would not be entertained again.

It turned out that Public Mobile got a taste of bad press and backed off before it could get a lot more bad press. So the subscribers won even though the CCTS didn't really get involved.

But it's pretty clear that if you want to make a complaint to the CCTS then you've got to follow their procedure. The first step is to attempt communication and resolution directly with the provider. Only when this fails can you proceed further. If you don't follow the CCTS rules then the CCTS will ignore your complaint.

happycamper
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

WOW...just got the email....not very impressed with this forced conversion...first thing I did was go into my account and take screen shots of most of pages...for example if you go into the public points page within your account, it talks about converting to Public points and what it means to you....so if you convert say, right now...you will get 1 point for every month you have been with PR and then the 10 points on anniversary.  Plus for referrals it says I can earn up to 4 points for my referrals each month (i have 4 referrals on acct) .   Are we better to convert right now with documentary evidence on account to make a good argument to CRTC.

Also, I'm not sure what CRTC or other  Consumer regulatory powers would have to say about a forced conversion to a very obvious downgraded plan that will cost consumers much more...and then trying to change some Public rewards rules just before the forced conversion....pretty low on PM's (read Telus) part.

Having said that, I have tons of add ons that were free so will have to carefully compare before making any changes....I have been customer for 5 + years.

 

And to deal with that confusion, PM has removed that option.... 😞

@MajorTalent   It was an one-time credit of 1 point/per month with PM for electing to transfer to the new points system for anyone on legacy rewards.  That option was conveniently removed a day before this announcement.

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