03-06-2024 11:07 AM - last edited on 03-09-2024 12:32 PM by ShawnC13
Hey Community,
We have an important announcement to share with our subscribers who are currently enrolled in our old Rewards program.
We’re making changes to our rewards program and are sharing how these changes impact some of our subscribers. Starting in May, we’ll be retiring our old Rewards program and moving all subscribers to our Public Points™ program.
We launched the Public Points™ program in January 2022 to provide our subscribers with more ways to earn and spend rewards, with greater flexibility. As part of our commitment to continuously evolve our products and services, it's time to retire our old Rewards program and shift our focus on enhancing our Points program.
To show our appreciation for your continued loyalty, subscribers on our old Rewards program will receive a special thank you. We'll send you a text message when it has been added to your account by March 31st.
We’re excited to continue providing you, our valued subscribers, more opportunities to earn and spend rewards with Public Points™ moving forward.
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The Public Mobile Team
04-18-2024 12:11 PM - edited 04-18-2024 12:31 PM
This thread should be closed.
I agree somewhat with @Wolfcore
I have had posts disappear.
So the backlash is being controlled. And if you want to have some impact move the protest to another media and make it a protest against both PM and Telus.
No doubt PM is making their notes and possibly once all converted there might be some appeasing offers, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Personally, as a multiple year plan, I plan to move away from Telus home services and each of my PM accounts when the average payment is below what I get elsewhere. Right now I can get unlimited in/out Canada wide calling, international texting and 2.5 gb per month for $12.50 on 4G. I will also no longer work on referrals for PM and I will bolster our stand in NOT being involved with loyalty/points programs.
Venting in an in house platform is NOT going to have a good impact on PM or Telus.
04-18-2024 11:28 AM
We're 6 weeks into this announcement, and we haven't heard a single word from them officially (unless you count the responses to CCTS complaints, where they've stood their ground). They've lied to us, sneakily removed bonuses before this announcement in order to reward us even less, they then gaslit us by saying that they're doing this to give us more value, they gave us data gifts that they know nobody needs, and attached expiry dates to them, they've had their minions attack us, silence us, but allow them to freely say whatever they want, etc.
Multi-billion dollars corporations don't play nice, they aren't looking for "negotiations" with their consumers. These people run Canada, there's no reason for them to negotiate. So no, being polite to somebody like this isn't going to change anything. In fact, they want you that way. The less anger, the better for them. It's one of the reasons why they keep deleting messages. The only way you win against corporations like this, is to make a big public fuss, and force them into a position to defend their reputation; it's the only way. Sad thing is, they pay so much money to the mainstream media via ads, that you'd never see them cover it, and voicing your frustration on their own platform like this, has little value, as they are able to control the narrative via their Oracles/mods.
In the end, your only real option is to cause a massive scene off-site, on somewhere like X, or just leave, and hope they offer you something good to come back. I guess you could also do what others have done, which is to contact the CS Agents and be given some free months of service, or free data, but those will never equate to what was lost with the removal of these rewards.
They'll be losing a lot of customers once the change officially happens and people see their rates go up though, that's for sure. Without the legacy rewards, they aren't all that competitive. I've posted so many comparisons here, where PM ends up in dead last amongst the budget brands. It's actually pretty sad what they've become.
04-17-2024 10:07 PM - edited 04-18-2024 12:31 AM
Discussion about Oracles is off-toipics
If you have constructive suggestions for the Community, please open a proper ticket with CS Agent
04-17-2024 08:30 PM
soliciting referrals isn't allowed
04-17-2024 06:05 PM
@ATHENS Depending on where you live, Fizz could be an option at $23 for 10GB at 4G speed with a provision to rollover data for 2 months. Outside of their native coverage area, they use the big3 networks and, from what I’ve read, they tend to default to Rogers before the others
04-17-2024 05:48 PM - edited 04-17-2024 05:59 PM
Through acquisition or merger they could use existing infrastructure and acquire spectrum licenses and have much more financial capital to make investments to expand, improve technology, etc. but in reality it will never happen as there is no political will to allow it to happen
04-17-2024 04:19 PM - edited 04-17-2024 04:23 PM
@RetiredGuy1 wrote:@kb_mv Everybody has a price. Bell/Rogers/Telus are not worldwide giants by any stretch of the imagination. Looking at 2024 market caps of the largest telecoms you have T-Mobile ($190 billion USD), Comcast ($171 billion USD), and Verizon ($163 billion USD). They all dwarf Robellus by comparison.
@RetiredGuy1 I think you missed the point I was making. What infrastructure would these international corporations use in Canada? The big 3 here own almost all of the networks and spectrum licenses.
04-17-2024 04:17 PM
@kb_mv Everybody has a price. Bell/Rogers/Telus are not worldwide giants by any stretch of the imagination. Looking at 2024 market caps of the largest telecoms you have T-Mobile ($190 billion USD), Comcast ($171 billion USD), and Verizon ($163 billion USD). They all dwarf Robellus by comparison.
04-17-2024 04:00 PM - edited 04-17-2024 04:07 PM
@RetiredGuy1 wrote:True enough. Actually, a former poster sent me a DM just a short time ago in response to my comment about the power the oligopoly wields in Canada. He stated “What we need is worldwide open competition. Let the worldwide giants in. That would likely kill our little "Big 3" due to their size.” I think inflation is a factor but I can certainly agree with what you and he are both saying on a larger scale.
@RetiredGuy1 How would this work when the big 3 own almost all of the infrastructure?
Edit: The CRTC put an end to the plans of true MNVO's like DotMobile by requiring MNVO's to eventually install their own infrastructure.
04-17-2024 03:50 PM
True enough. Actually, a former poster sent me a DM just a short time ago in response to my comment about the power the oligopoly wields in Canada. He stated “What we need is worldwide open competition. Let the worldwide giants in. That would likely kill our little "Big 3" due to their size.” I think inflation is a factor but I can certainly agree with what you and he are both saying on a larger scale.
04-17-2024 02:55 PM - edited 04-19-2024 09:11 AM
> what has changed in the last few years. I submit its the rapidly-escalating inflation which, despite Telus still recording high profits, has a direct impact on PMs bottom line
Though i respect and thank you for your opinion and input here, I don't buy it. Record profits, in a market where the bandwidth and equipment has been getting cheaper and more plentiful each year, and where Canadians are paying orders of magnitude more than the rest of the world (literally, I am going to UK next month and expecting to have a choice of SIMs with twice the data I need per year, for less than the cost of 1 month of PM, despite being one of the cheapest in Canada). Less towers deployed in Canada too, by most accounts.
04-17-2024 02:27 PM
@NoseyNick1 wrote:...
Loyalty points: 1pt/mo after your first year at PM, 2pt/mo after your 2nd year at PM, up to 5pt/mo after 5yrs as an active loyal customer
Autopay points: 2pts/mo for autopay - this must save a lot of debt-chasing hassle after all? Win-win for customer and PM
Referals points: 1pt/mo for any referrals, as long as both you and your referred customer remain active
Option for 1pt to be automatically traded in for $1 off your bill every month, no need to log in to spend points, unless you WANT to gamble them away or whatever of course. ...
This is pretty much what I suggested to them in one of my messages to CS. It appears to have been ignored by them but it is the position I'm taking for my CCTS resolution.
04-17-2024 01:29 PM
The CRTC will be responsible for implementing these measures and will consult on specific requirements.”
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After all the posturing at the Standing Committee on Industry and Technology held last month where the Big 3 CEOS were “grilled” about the state of the Canadian telecom landscape, the budget focuses on the cost of activation fees, communications, and use of technology for self-service? Nothing about any possible measures to increase competition. That’s the power an oligopoly wields.
04-17-2024 12:54 PM
@PMscrewedus wrote:PMscrewedus
C’mon man, get to the point already! 😆
04-17-2024 12:52 PM
Yes, I agree only time will tell if this is “new Coke” part deux. Its also hard to speculate on just how financially healthy PM is when Telus annual reports don’t breakdown financial data at the Telus brand, Koodo, and PM levels.
04-17-2024 12:40 PM
It is, and it isn't. In this case, driving away customers isn't their main goal, but rather, just a side-effect of that goal. Their hope is that they'll make more money by removing these legacy rewards, than they'll lose from the angered customers. They're probably right in the end, but the damage to their reputation is a bit harder to gauge and value. It's very possible that in the long run, this decision may have been a bad one. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
04-17-2024 12:38 PM
PMscrewedus
04-17-2024 12:33 PM
But the fact remains that their actions are indeed driving away customers. I dunno, driving away customers and trying to make more profit reads like an oxymoron to me.
04-17-2024 12:28 PM
@NoseyNick1 Agreed, not controversial at all if it was PMs intention to continue on with the spirit of rewarding loyal customers as in the past but simply changing the label on each category of reward from dollars to points while applying them in the same manner. But, we know that is clearly not their intention which leads to your question of what has changed in the last few years. I submit its the rapidly-escalating inflation which, despite Telus still recording high profits, has a direct impact on PMs bottom line and thus making Telus shareholders just a wee bit grumpy. The poor things.
04-17-2024 12:22 PM
A bunch of people have suggested this, and I've considered it, but at the end of the day, these corporations never work that way. It just wouldn't make sense. Why possibly lose your customers to competitors, when you could just transition them over to your other brands, and keep them?
They've done this in the past, where they've tried to lure people over to Koodo via text messages. But we're not seeing any of that this time. So sadly, this is just a money decision for them. They believe that it's in their best interest to kill this legacy program, and they'll make more money doing it (even after they lose customers and their reputation craters).
All of these decisions are money decisions, and money decisions (in favor of the company), are never good for the consumer. It'll always appear like they're trying to drive away customers, when in reality, they've just trying to make more profit.
04-17-2024 12:07 PM
Perhaps its Telus who don’t care about their tier 3 (PM) customers. Telus would still meet the CRTC requirement of a low-cost, low-data plan through Koodo’s $15 starter plan. Couple that with increased competition from emerging carriers such as Freedom, Fizz, No Name - who knows who will be next. Maybe the ultimate motive behind the switch is to discontinue PM altogether? It certainly feels like they’re making a concerted effort to drive PM customers away.
04-17-2024 11:11 AM
> We could instead try to negotiate a deal for us
OK, controversial idea, but how about...
Loyalty points: 1pt/mo after your first year at PM, 2pt/mo after your 2nd year at PM, up to 5pt/mo after 5yrs as an active loyal customer
Autopay points: 2pts/mo for autopay - this must save a lot of debt-chasing hassle after all? Win-win for customer and PM
Referals points: 1pt/mo for any referrals, as long as both you and your referred customer remain active
Option for 1pt to be automatically traded in for $1 off your bill every month, no need to log in to spend points, unless you WANT to gamble them away or whatever of course.
Oh wait... not controversial at all, it's just meeting previous promis-err-marketing commitments, in a world where wireless bandwidth has been getting cheaper and more plentiful each year, a world where Canadians are paying about 20x as much as our European friends and relatives for cell plans
Too much to ask? If so, what changed in the last few years? 😕
04-17-2024 11:02 AM
Well, this is a huge mistake.
04-17-2024 10:48 AM
PM doesn't care about their customers, they aren't looking to "negotiate" en masse, they've made that very clear. They lied to their customers, then slapped them in the face with a data gift, that they know the customers have no use for. They're literally lying to their customers again, saying that this switch is to give the customer more value. They're gaslighting people to their faces. They've been losing hundreds/thousands of customers (more to come), and they've barely flinched.
So no, I don't think negotiation is in the cards. The best bet at this point, is for their reputation to be destroyed, everybody to leave, and then (if you only care about money), wait for them to attempt to lure you back in with a great offer, and come back. If they lose enough customers, only then will an attempt at fixing this mistake, be considered.
04-17-2024 09:34 AM
04-17-2024 09:29 AM
04-17-2024 09:23 AM
@Gimli007 wrote:Well. Its been 13 days since my complaint (April 3rd)
-CCTS acknowledged the complaint.
-PM objected April 5 ( thanks Michael from pm escalations)
-CCTS rejected PM's objection April 9
I have not heard boo from PM - via text, phone, email, wire, or stone tablet.
You simply cannot "sell" your service with the promise of no price changes and a "stay with us and we will credit you" system, and think it is okay to arbitrarily drop the fundamental piece of the service equation.
in the meantime - i will keep on getting random dropped calls ( i catch the msg on screen saying something like "server did not respond") and spending lots of clicks to authenticate with 2FA to comment on a forum....
wheres my scotch.....?
@Gimli007 Your scotch is still behind the bar because your “server did not respond” 😂
This post will likely get deleted but if even one viewer gets a chuckle, it was worth it…
04-17-2024 09:16 AM
@Yatti4201 - But we should be "Lucky" just to get a rewards system. There is only a handful of carriers that do this... and Public Mobile is one of them.
Fizz, PC Mobile, Virgin, cannot even think what mobile carriers have one after that... TELUS home services.
04-17-2024 08:35 AM
Elon isn't even this bad. I mean he tests the water but pulling off what PM has done will send X tanking. The rewards program - all the terms etc all have the standard disclaimer that PM can change them at anytime for any reason and you can't hold them accountable if things go wrong lol (within the legal requirements - for notice in specific provinces for example).. Its' all allowed what PM is doing imho. Just not wise!
04-17-2024 12:55 AM
Can Public Mobile legally change the agreement of my mobile plan without my consent?
I do not want to be moved to the new Public Points program. It sucks! The discounts for being a loyal customer on the legacy/old Rewards program is way better and incentivizes me to stay with Public Mobile.
If you are forcing me to change to the new program, then good bye. You lost a customer and likely thousands of others.