@Wolfcore wrote:
One might discern that you're trying to quell the masses, by choosing to ignore comments and act naive, while continually posting messages in support of PM, this decision, and those who are trying to dismiss concerns.
Not trying to "quell the masses". LOL. Where did I "continually post messages in support of PM"? On the contrary, my posts suggest folks continue to push against this. Why spread misinformation - what's the purpose?
The Oracle in question made it very clear with their messages. Just go back and read them. Multiple messages in defense of PM (Telus). Even seemingly mentioning how they are a shareholder:
I read as much as the posts on this thread as I can. I do not view their comments the same way. So what if they're a shareholder; at least they had the guts to admit that publicly on this thread. I doubt others would.
1. you do have to recognize that businesses operate on the profit motive in exchange for goods and services. If you ran a business, could you operate it sustainably with a charity mindset?
This is a valid point being made by the Oracle, in my view. I don't view it as pushing for compliance from the masses.
2. Well, if I put on my customer hat, I tend to agree with what you are saying. When I put on my shareholder hat, I can see the merits of what they are doing.
Another valid point, IMO.
3.The other side of the coin is $13 accounts paying $6 in perpetuity. These days $6 doesn't buy a single burger. I hate to pit one group of customers against another group. I think it was the unsustainability of giving $7 rewards to $13 and $15 customers caused this change.
So they're offering a comment/opinion in an attempt to explain why they believe something to be. What's wrong with that?
4. So, as a shareholder could you please explain the merits you are referring to since “record profits” is apparently not enough?
Respectfully, no. Inflation invariably makes new number appear larger than last year's comps.
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This is just one Oracle as well, i'm not even gonna bother going through all the rest.
Exactly, why bother? What's to be gained by it? Everyone's impacted by this, some more than others. It's unfair to all Legacy reward customers.
We see multiple messages essentially saying how Telus needs to make this change due to needing money. Even giving a personal opinion saying that this old system was unsustainable for them. This is a form of guilt. They're telling people "you gotta think of poor them, they're losing money".
Sorry you feel they're guilting you. They're simply trying to make more money on the backs of their most loyal customers. Yes, it's greedy, but I certainly don't feel guilty in any way.
To me, this is incredibly disrespectful, considering the consumer is far worse off than any Telus executive, or Telus themselves. They're making record profit. We're supposed to feel sorry about their profits, when some of us can barely afford rent or food to eat? This is a budget-brand service.
I completely agree with your statement. They DO NOT need to do this. I wrote exactly that in my very first reply in this thread last Wednesday. I, also, do not feel the least bit sorry about their profits.
As for your comment about people attempting to rile up for masses for "bravos", I assume I'm one of the people who you're referring to, considering I've been pointing this stuff out. I find that quite laughable. I've been helping out as many people as I can, breaking down pricing, clearly explaining my points, arguing potential fixes, etc. I'm here because I'm disappointed in PM for lying to their customers, and breaking a promise. I don't care about some dumb community reward. Whoever is in charge of internals, can remove all of my bravos if they want, I couldn't care less. This is about letting PM know that they've made a terrible decision, and their customer base speaking out about it.
Excellent points, @Wolfcore . I just don't feel they're "lying" or "breaking a promise" . They are showing mistrust by making leading statements in the past.
I, also, would put forth that all bravo's from the Announcement section be stricken from the Community reward metrics.
