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Transfer from speakout, PIN needed

RonB1
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

my transfer today was not successful. Speakout told me I need to have public mobile give them my account number and my pin in order for them to transfer my number. I can’t see where I can put my pin in on the request page, it just had space for IMeI and account number. Any ideas ?

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Enterfrize2
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

My experience was a bit different.  When I spoke with Speakout to help diagnose the issue, I did verify my IMEI number with them from my phone to their records, and according to the representative, our records matched.  So an old IMEI number from eons past was not the barrier preventing my port.

I think the solution is simple enough.  If the port does not succeed with IMEI number and you get an SMS error from PM, call Speakout.  If Speakout tells you to use your account pin number (which they confirm with you on the phone as a standard process), use the pin number.


@Enterfrize2 wrote:

Hi @computergeek541!  Are you an employee of PM or a valued enthusiast?

I'm hesitant to provide any specific advice in this matter.  What I can tell you for certain is that it took three days to port my number.  The only solution that didn't respond with an SMS error message from PM was using my pin number.  According to Speakout (who I spoke with directly on the phone sever times), they strongly encouraged the pin number over the IMEI number.  One representatives explained that the pin number is important because sometimes the IMEI they have on record is different from your physical phone.  Another representative explained that the IMEI data entry is prone to error and that could get in the way as well (a 4 digit pin number is less likely to get wrong than a long IMEI number).  If you call Speakout customer support and express that you want to transfer your number to another provider, their automated system instructs you to use the PIN number with your 10 digit phone number as the account number.

For me, the moral of the story is Speakout may have unique needs compared to other carriers, and it pays to be open to other methods for porting numbers.  I'm just grateful that my number and service is where it's supposed to be, so a happy ending in the end! 🙂


Yes, Speakout does have a special process in the sense that if a customer enters an account number for porting out from Speakout, the number port will fail.

As for me, no I do not work for Public Mobile. I am a customer.  It's true that account PIN is an option, but it is really meant as a last resort option.  My understanding is of carrier sometimes not liking the account PIN being used because it is not very secure.  Either way, there are a bunch of problems using account PIN too.  Account PINs can be changed and that can cause confusion, forgotten codes, etc.  Also, account PIN is often confused with voicemail password, phone PINs, and unlocking PINs (to make the phone work at another carrier), each of these being different things. Even at Public Mobile, there's quite often misinformation being spread on this message forums saying that account PIN and voicemail password are the same thing (when they are not).

As for the idea suggestion to use phone number, account number, and account PIN, that's just plain bad advice.  Using account number will absolutely fail because there is no account number that Speakout will accept for porting out (and no, customers should not just enter the phone number as account number).  In addition to that, using both account number (assuming that account number did work) and account PIN is counterproductive.  If the idea is to keep it simple, using just the account PIN (without account number) would be sufficient.  There is nothing gained by providing more information than necessary. There only needs to be one match for porting to go through.  Using both field increases the chance of porting failure as any of the information not matching will cause porting failure, and the same goes for if anyone says to use both IMEI and PIN.

Enterfrize2
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

Hi @computergeek541!  Are you an employee of PM or a valued enthusiast?

I'm hesitant to provide any specific advice in this matter.  What I can tell you for certain is that it took three days to port my number.  The only solution that didn't respond with an SMS error message from PM was using my pin number.  According to Speakout (who I spoke with directly on the phone sever times), they strongly encouraged the pin number over the IMEI number.  One representatives explained that the pin number is important because sometimes the IMEI they have on record is different from your physical phone.  Another representative explained that the IMEI data entry is prone to error and that could get in the way as well (a 4 digit pin number is less likely to get wrong than a long IMEI number).  If you call Speakout customer support and express that you want to transfer your number to another provider, their automated system instructs you to use the PIN number with your 10 digit phone number as the account number.

For me, the moral of the story is Speakout may have unique needs compared to other carriers, and it pays to be open to other methods for porting numbers.  I'm just grateful that my number and service is where it's supposed to be, so a happy ending in the end! 🙂


@Enterfrize2 wrote:

So I don't know if it was alchemy or an errant lightning strike, but my number was successfully transferred from Speakout to Public Mobile.  The solution required use of the Speakout PIN number.  I'm almost sure they didn't include the account number with the port submission (the ten digit phone number as the account number).  Instead, it was just the phone number (as the phone number) and the PIN # while leaving the account number field blank (when the PM's tech was submitting the transfer on my behalf).


As stated earlier, there is no account number that can be used for porting out a Speakout.  Also, the PIN should not have been used.  Please encourage others to only use the IMEI for porting from Speakout.

Enterfrize2
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

So I don't know if it was alchemy or an errant lightning strike, but my number was successfully transferred from Speakout to Public Mobile.  The solution required use of the Speakout PIN number.  I'm almost sure they didn't include the account number with the port submission (the ten digit phone number as the account number).  Instead, it was just the phone number (as the phone number) and the PIN # while leaving the account number field blank (when the PM's tech was submitting the transfer on my behalf).

So far so good!

RonB1
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

I will just say that I have opted to abandon my old number. When I called speakout again, they confirmed the IMEI I used but none of the transfer requests show up  in their system.  I have spent two days on this and the PM customer service people have tried to help but its a lost cause as far as I’m concerned.  Thanks for the community member who also tried to help.  Ron 

RonB1
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

Oh man, that is rough. My speakout account is over ten years old and had several phones on it. I am at the point of abandoning my old number. Will have to ask customer support how to do that. 

@RonB1 

a bit more regarding IMEI

  Speakout uses the IMEI at time of activation or at some point in your account history, not the IMEI currently on the network.  
          This means that for older Speakout account that you have changed phone since you joined, you might need the IMEI from a phone several years ago.  
          You can call into Speakout customer service and provide them the IMEI that you have to see if it matches what they have on the account.  If it does, then you can port with the IMEI only, instead of the PIN.  
          If you no longer have access to that IMEI, they will not disclose the IMEI to you, and you will have to ask Public Mobile to port via PIN only.

RonB1
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

Thanks for the advice. I will try one more time with the IMEI. 


@RonB1 wrote:

Thanks for reaching out. I still have not got my number ported. I’ve called speakout 5 or 6 times and they say the number and pin are correct.they say they haven’t received a transfer request yet  the public mobile agents have told me they have made the request multiple times but the system rejects it. I’m not sure what to do other than accept a new phone number but that has its own issues. I havent received sms from speakout or public mobile agents  but their customer support have messaged me on this platform.  They are trying to help but its like the computers aren’t talking and the humans can’t fix it. 


From the information that you have provided in this message thread, I'm pretty sure that porting failed because of the Speakout account information that was provided.  First off, account number can never be used for porting from Speakout.  There is no account number that will work.  IMEI needs to be used.  As for Speakout account PIN, please don't provide that.  Providing more information than necessary actually increases the chances of number porting failure.   Please continue discussing this with a Public Mobile customer support agent and have that agent remove both account number and PIN from the number porting request and use the IMEI instead.

@Enterfrize2  Please use this same advice as it's IMEI that needs to be used.  The customer support agent is actually correct that PIN shouldn't be used.  While it's theoretically possible to use account PIN, it's really a last resort option.


@Sansan wrote:

Its better to use your account number.ber instead of IEMI  where possible. 


The above isn't correct advice for number ports from Speakout.  

RonB1
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

Thanks for reaching out. I still have not got my number ported. I’ve called speakout 5 or 6 times and they say the number and pin are correct.they say they haven’t received a transfer request yet  the public mobile agents have told me they have made the request multiple times but the system rejects it. I’m not sure what to do other than accept a new phone number but that has its own issues. I havent received sms from speakout or public mobile agents  but their customer support have messaged me on this platform.  They are trying to help but its like the computers aren’t talking and the humans can’t fix it. 

Enterfrize2
Great Neighbour / Super Voisin

I'm in the same boat.  For some reason, my Public Mobile customer support agent refuses to enter my Speakout pin number for porting my number over from Speakout.  Now I"m stuck in limbo without a working service.  I asked to escalate to a a manager, but they refused to do that as well.  What is my recourse?  How do I get my phone system operational?

I am getting repeat SMS messages from Public Mobile as follows:

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Hey, it's Public Mobile. We're having trouble transferring your number, looks like the information collected was incorrect. Someone from our team will contact you shortly using your original phone number or the alternate number provided to update the account number/IMEI. You can also get in touch via our virtual assistant at: https://urlshortner.tiia.ai/xYpc_I
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No, Public Mobile/ Koodo  are owned by Telus. I'm saying you can get them to help you transfer your speakout account to PM. But if you submitted a ticket already thats great.

RonB1
Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

Hey, thanks for the offer but speakout is not part of Telus/Koodo. Is that what you were thinking? I went ahead and submitted a ticket with public mobile   Thank you 

Sansan
Mayor / Maire

@RonB1  I'll send you another message with a phone number to call the Telus/ Koodo porting team. They should be able to assist you. Its better to use your account number.ber instead of IEMI  where possible. 

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