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Model Citizen / Citoyen Modèle

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@smp99 wrote:

I think they should offer the unlimited at throttled speed. My guess is that data add-on purchases would grow or people will upgrade their plans as most will become super frustrated with the slow speed.

 

What I would like to see offered is an unlimited 3G speed (3mbps on LTE). Same speed for the full plan. I would pay $100 to $125 for that. 

 


$100 for unlimited usage at 3 mbps is pretty steep. It would be hard to cause any real strain on the network at that bandwidth level, especially as more LTE bands are being rolled out and 5G eventually comes offloading more traffic & making the network more dense.

Deputy Mayor / Adjoint au Maire

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?

It's likely not going to happen. Rogers just reported 3qtr results. Infinite plans adoption was over 1million accounts, 3 times the expected rate. This lead to a decrease in service revenue because of the decrease in data-overage charges. Overall revenue was stable when you include cable.  Stock drop yesterday was biggest since 2016, about 5.5%

 

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/rogers-communications-reports-third-quarter-110005482.html

 

Quote:

Revenue
Total revenue was stable this quarter and total service revenue decreased by 1%, largely driven by a 2% decrease in Wireless service revenue. The Wireless service revenue decrease was primarily a result of the faster-than-expected subscriber adoption of our new Rogers Infinite unlimited data plans and the related decrease in overage revenue and an elevated competitive market environment.

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?

Until Public Mobile says they will have unlimited plans for data, they will tell us.  There is no use in discussing this further.

Deputy Mayor / Adjoint au Maire

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@stonechucker wrote:

Until Public Mobile says they will have unlimited plans for data, they will tell us.  There is no use in discussing this further.


I would have to disagree with that. We keep the discussion going to let PM know that this is still top of mind for many.

 

 

Mayor / Maire

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@smp99 wrote:

 

What I would like to see offered is an unlimited 3G speed (3mbps on LTE). Same speed for the full plan. I would pay $100 to $125 for that. 



@jor123 wrote:


$100 for unlimited usage at 3 mbps is pretty steep. It would be hard to cause any real strain on the network at that bandwidth level, especially as more LTE bands are being rolled out and 5G eventually comes offloading more traffic & making the network more dense.


@smp99 @jor123 here's the problem:  if people could get unlimited 3Mbps speed data at PM for anything that was a "reasonable" amount (i.e. not hundredS of dollars a month or something), then a very large number [more profitable] Telus and Koodo customers would leave those tiers.  We saw this in the Fall 2016 promo*, and that's the reason we have yet to see any further industry-leading plans from PM since then and the reason they are either content or forced to just mirror Chatr and Lucky now.  

 

* for anyone that wasn't around back then:  PM offered a promo plan that was a 90 day plan with 12GB of full-speed data along with unlimited province-wide talk and unlimited international texting for $120, or about $40/month for an average of about 4GB of full-speed data (though you had the flexibility to use that 12GB any way you you wanted during the full 90 days).  There was a massive influx of new customers, not just from competitors but also from Telus' own brands as well.  


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Model Citizen / Citoyen Modèle

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@stonechucker wrote:

Until Public Mobile says they will have unlimited plans for data, they will tell us.  There is no use in discussing this further.


What's wrong with discussing it? Isn't that what the forums are here for? 

Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@srlawren wrote:

@GinYVR wrote:

 

Unlimited additional data at reduced speeds of up to 128 Kbps for email, light browsing and messaging once you have exceeded your allotted 3G data.


@GinYVR 128 Kbps is roughly double the old dial-up speeds of 56 Kbps... it would have to be some very light browsing to be even remotely usable at that speed. 


Speaking from experience here... Dial-Up averaged around ~3 to ~3.14 KBps OR 24-25Kbps at my address by comparison. I had Dial-Up even as late as around 4 years ago, so I really remember. On the other hand, my real-world throughput testing has pegged Lucky's 128kbps at exactly the 128kbps or 16KBps, varying mostly between 120 and 140 kbps. This means it can and does sustain over 5 times the actual rate of dial-up, not double. The main reason for this is, unlike Chatr, Lucky uses 4G and is throttled to that speed. There isn't a pile of congestion and the path can handle more load than you need, whereas Dial-Up is capped at 56kbps and the poor lines means you will never get that. By having much more available overhead to compensate compared with Dial-Up and Chatr, Lucky pretty-much gives you a rock solid 128kbps. For literally everything but Video, or higher quality audio, it's fine. Even web browsing isn't seriously impactful, if you don't mind waiting 0.5-2 seconds instead of 0.1-0.5 seconds for a page to load. So it's quite a bit futher from the Dial-Up train speeds, lol.

Great Citizen / Super Citoyen

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@jor123 wrote:

@smp99 wrote:

I think they should offer the unlimited at throttled speed. My guess is that data add-on purchases would grow or people will upgrade their plans as most will become super frustrated with the slow speed.

 

What I would like to see offered is an unlimited 3G speed (3mbps on LTE). Same speed for the full plan. I would pay $100 to $125 for that. 

 


$100 for unlimited usage at 3 mbps is pretty steep. It would be hard to cause any real strain on the network at that bandwidth level, especially as more LTE bands are being rolled out and 5G eventually comes offloading more traffic & making the network more dense.


I'm actually shocked noone mentioned the fact that Sasktel has been (nearly) doing this for quite a long time, and they roam onto Bell and the like without question, and those customers aren't causing us any network problems.

 

See https://www.whistleout.ca/CellPhones/Guides/best-unlimited-data-plans ....

 

They've done unlimited 2Mbps for $90 for a while, and there are even people out there that have their job as a side-hustle to sneak non-Sasktel area users into this lucrative plan outside of their main client base. It's a little shady, but I don't blame them. The fact is, with the advent of 5G multiplying many times over our existing bandwidth capacity, I dare say it will no longer be a question of congestion, and merely a question of convenience and greed.

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@savvy wrote:


I'm actually shocked noone mentioned the fact that Sasktel has been (nearly) doing this for quite a long time, and they roam onto Bell and the like without question, and those customers aren't causing us any network problems.

The reason that no one has mentioned Sasktel likely has to do with their services only being sold in Saskatchewan. When people are looking into these price plans, they often don't look into services that aren't being offered to them.

Mayor / Maire

Re: Now that both Lucky and Chatr have unlimited data, when do you think Public will get this?


@computergeek541 wrote:

@savvy wrote:


I'm actually shocked noone mentioned the fact that Sasktel has been (nearly) doing this for quite a long time, and they roam onto Bell and the like without question, and those customers aren't causing us any network problems.

The reason that no one has mentioned Sasktel likely has to do with their services only being sold in Saskatchewan. When people are looking into these price plans, they often don't look into services that aren't being offered to them.


Actually, SaskTel was mentioned, lol.

 

SaskTel services might primarily be sold only to customers in SaskTel service areas. But they can be used by anyone anywhere on the SaskTel, Telus, Bell, and (USA) AT&T networks. I doubt they really care too much about where their paying customers come from, and I doubt they can be punished (by CRTC, Telus, Bell?) for "poaching" outside their territory when their non-Saskatchewan customers come to Saskatchewan seeking them. Out-of-province customers can subscribe directly from SaskTel's own website, no shady deals with side-hussling middlemen (other than Canada Post) are necessary. 

 

Prices are higher than Public. But what you get for the prices can be well worth it.