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Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@DragonRU wrote:

@JackQuint wrote:


What an assinine post.


For people who cannot calculate risks and prefer to kill hundred people rather than one - yes, it looks asinine


Are you saying 100 people are going to die today because an alarm went off at 3am?  I was a volunteer firefighter for 12 years and we were on pager and woken up in the middle of the night more times than I can count and I can say we never had anyone die the next day because of sleep deprivation.

 

I can't believe that so many people are complaining about a safety issue.  So it goes out at 3 am not much you could do right then but there might have been something during the day that just wasn't right or seemed a bit off but you carried on with your day.  This notification could be related through a car you saw or people while you were out during the day.  These notifications are to save childrens lives.  To make claims that saving one life with an alert will cost 100 lives from heart attacks and sleep deprived drivers is absolutely rediculous


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Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@shskr wrote:

I can see the frustration on the parents that their children are missing. But issuing and alert at 3am is pointless.

Senerio: I get an alert at 3am wake up read alert. Best I can do look outside my window to see if anyone is outside that looks like missing children. I highly doubt im getting dressed and going to look for them.

That's why my phone is off at night. Oh and I don't use my phone as an alarm clock, I bought a $10 cheap alarm clock for that.

 

Pleasant day, hope the kids are found.


Again, another comical post... So it was useless to you... It wasn't for the citizen that was out and saw the car and contacted the authorities. This directly led them to find a "confused" elderly person, with 2 very young kids in the car, missing for 12 hours. They were 60km's from their original point. I think people need to get out of their "me" bubbles and try to understand the big picture.

 

 

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Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@ShawnC13 wrote:

@DragonRU wrote:

@JackQuint wrote:


What an assinine post.


For people who cannot calculate risks and prefer to kill hundred people rather than one - yes, it looks asinine


Are you saying 100 people are going to die today because an alarm went off at 3am?  I was a volunteer firefighter for 12 years and we were on pager and woken up in the middle of the night more times than I can count and I can say we never had anyone die the next day because of sleep deprivation.

 

I can't believe that so many people are complaining about a safety issue.  So it goes out at 3 am not much you could do right then but there might have been something during the day that just wasn't right or seemed a bit off but you carried on with your day.  This notification could be related through a car you saw or people while you were out during the day.  These notifications are to save childrens lives.  To make claims that saving one life with an alert will cost 100 lives from heart attacks and sleep deprived drivers is absolutely rediculous


I multiplied both parts of equation to 1000 to make problem more visible. I assume there is chance close to 0.1% that this amber laert would save life, and 10% chance that it takes life. There is many people with weak health that receive this alert, so it pretty likely someone can die from it. Also, about sleep deprivation - there is statistically noticeable increase in car accidents after switching to light time. This amber alert was way more intrusive than one-hour time change, so effect would be much higher.

So 10% chance that someone dies as result of this alert is very conservative estimation. Also, I think that alert is completely useless in finding this child. What people at 3AM would do? Just turn alert off and go sleep again. So my estimate of 0.1% is very generous. But 10% vs 0.1% is 100 times difference I spoke about

Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@DragonRU wrote:

But it would be possible to do it on the provider level, or even completely skip those alerts, like Koodo is doing. So my question and suggestion is - can Public Mobile do something about this issue?


How is Koodo allowing customers to skip emergency broadcast alerts?  It's my understanding that they're not allowed to provide such an option, although I do know that at Public Mobile, turning off LTE will result in no alerts with the siren sound coming in.

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Re: Amber Alert opt-out

With LTE off, my iPhones get no alerts.


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Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@computergeek541 wrote:

@DragonRU wrote:

But it would be possible to do it on the provider level, or even completely skip those alerts, like Koodo is doing. So my question and suggestion is - can Public Mobile do something about this issue?


How is Koodo allowing customers to skip emergency broadcast alerts?  It's my understanding that they're not allowed to provide such an option, although I do know that at Public Mobile, turning off LTE will result in no alerts with the siren sound coming in.


They do not allow to skip them - they just did not implemented their broadcasting, so noone recieves them.

Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@DragonRU wrote:

@computergeek541 wrote:

@DragonRU wrote:

But it would be possible to do it on the provider level, or even completely skip those alerts, like Koodo is doing. So my question and suggestion is - can Public Mobile do something about this issue?


How is Koodo allowing customers to skip emergency broadcast alerts?  It's my understanding that they're not allowed to provide such an option, although I do know that at Public Mobile, turning off LTE will result in no alerts with the siren sound coming in.


They do not allow to skip them - they just did not implemented their broadcasting, so noone recieves them.


I'm not a Koodo customer, so I can't test.  However Koodo was required to implement the system.  I can't see how or why Koodo would not have when both Telus and Public have.

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Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@DragonRU wrote:

@computergeek541 wrote:

@DragonRU wrote:

But it would be possible to do it on the provider level, or even completely skip those alerts, like Koodo is doing. So my question and suggestion is - can Public Mobile do something about this issue?


How is Koodo allowing customers to skip emergency broadcast alerts?  It's my understanding that they're not allowed to provide such an option, although I do know that at Public Mobile, turning off LTE will result in no alerts with the siren sound coming in.


They do not allow to skip them - they just did not implemented their broadcasting, so noone recieves them.


LOL, I enjoy your telling me to "check my facts" and you are saying Koodo does not implement the alerts.... **bleep** you are funny. Go in to their forms and see if there are any clowns like you in there crying about the alerts.. Let me know what you find.

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Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@duffer900 wrote:

@shskr wrote:

I can see the frustration on the parents that their children are missing. But issuing and alert at 3am is pointless.

Senerio: I get an alert at 3am wake up read alert. Best I can do look outside my window to see if anyone is outside that looks like missing children. I highly doubt im getting dressed and going to look for them.

That's why my phone is off at night. Oh and I don't use my phone as an alarm clock, I bought a $10 cheap alarm clock for that.

 

Pleasant day, hope the kids are found.


Again, another comical post... So it was useless to you... It wasn't for the citizen that was out and saw the car and contacted the authorities. This directly led them to find a "confused" elderly person, with 2 very young kids in the car, missing for 12 hours. They were 60km's from their original point. I think people need to get out of their "me" bubbles and try to understand the big picture.


 First of all, text of alert did not include car number. Second, that elderly person definitely did not turn off his phone, so he could be located by it (and most likely was). I think people need to stop virtue signalling and see whole picture, with dangers and benefits of each decision.

Good Citizen / Bon Citoyen

Re: Amber Alert opt-out


@duffer900 wrote:

LOL, I enjoy your telling me to "check my facts" and you are saying Koodo does not implement the alerts.... **bleep** you are funny. Go in to their forms and see if there are any clowns like you in there crying about the alerts.. Let me know what you find.

I did use Koodo one year ago, and all those test alerts did not come to me. Maybe now they implemented it - but for now you argue against my personal experience.