topic Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-) in Get Support

Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

dougc — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 21:11:58 GMT

Sooo I purchased a factory fresh 'Moto G Fast ' to upgrade up from my 5 yr olde fliphone. Woo-Hoo !!

The flip' has been operating on a PM account/SIM since 08-2018 with a ported over phone number from SO'. (also always saved my contacts on the SIM vs the phone memory).

Sharing this 'scenario' and following thoughts/questions, in case other(s) have had similiar experiences and acquired solutions to share. Why reinvent or do the trial/error thing, when answer(s) may already be out there ! 🙂

I acquired a new SIM from L'Drugs tonight, thinking that it maybe too iffy to 'trim' down the 2018 PM SIM down to Nano.

False thought ?

The staffer at L'Drugs implied that the 2020 version of SIM, "would be faster than the old one".

Am I allowed to port (?) my existing PM account and phone number to the new SIM trimmed down to Nano ?

Looking at https://activate.publicmobile.ca/ seems to be just for brand new activations/accounts.

Is my scenario, a 'Moderator ticket' request ?

If I use the 2020 (PM) SIM (Nano trimmed out), the only inconvenience is to manually input (thankfully only) 23 contacts which I have to remember to copy over to the flip' memory, just in case loss of PM account/number on the Regular SIM, no longer allows access to info saved on the SIM.

Thanks for your time !

dougc

p.s. long-winded post, hope this gets past *poof" the magic dragon. Should since the only link is a PM site url !

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

computergeek541 — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:15:28 GMT

You're not going to notice anything different from one version of SIM card versus another other than the color of the plastic.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:20:05 GMT

@dougc

SIM's don't do speed. I don't know where he got that idea from.

In your scenario, all you need to do is snap out the nano from the micro, insert it in the new phone...done.

The other questions are then irrelevant.

You can transfer contacts but the Moto might have a nice method of transferring data from an old phone.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

dougc — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:33:53 GMT

@Anonymous

So I obviously have not made time to open up the flip and compare the 2018 vs 2020 SIMs for trim/pop lines !

If say, the Nano based phone has some temp' negative issues, can the Nano be popped back into the (base) regular SIM to temporarily reuse the Flip'; or are the connections severed when the Nano is popped out ?

Anyone ever had 'occasion' to try that ?

@computergeek541

"You're not going to notice anything different from one version of SIM card versus another other than the color of the plastic. "

That is one thing I did have time to check and notice ! Since I retained the olde base card for my original PM 2018 SIM along with the account activation form from Wal'.

Thanks for your time, fellow PM community members !!

p.s. to be confirmed tomorrow, but I maybe returning the 2020 SIM back to LDrugs .

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

computergeek541 — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:26:26 GMT

@dougc wrote:

If say the Nano based phone has some temp' negative issues, can the Nano be popped back into the (base) regular SIM to temporarily reuse the Flip'; or are the connections severed when the Nano is popped out ?

The removable piece is nothing but plastic. If you're careful not to break it, it can be re-used.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

JoyLuck — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:29:42 GMT

@dougc wrote:
@Anonymous

So I obviously have not made time to open up the flip and compare the 2018 vs 2020 SIMs for trim/pop lines !

If say the Nano based phone has some temp' negative issues, can the Nano be popped back into the (base) regular SIM to temporarily reuse the Flip'; or are the connections severed when the Nano is popped out ?

The connections are not severed. You can gently put back into the adapters you punched out and reuse. I have gone from nano to micro.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:36:59 GMT

@dougc

See that image JoyLuck put up? The SIM is really only just that gold contact area. The other parts are the frames to have the SIM held in those kinds of phones.

The middle orange one at the top (our perspective) is the only delicate part. But those three parts snap together...carefully.

Edit: good luck returning the SIM. They're usually not returnable. Keep it for a friend referral. 🙂

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

dougc — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:42:42 GMT

@JoyLuck

When the term 'punchout' is used that is just carefully using your smallest finger tips and gently push it out evenly ? 🙂

Should a fresh utility knife blade be carefully used along the creases first or is there a danger of metal on metal shorting, or damaging the connections if ya slightly spasm ( a LoL moment) ?

dougc

p.s. IF anyone is curious about the Moto G FAST, private message me and I can send you the links i already bmked (Utube review, also a tips'ntricks Utube, along with retailer advert' unit acquired from, a case option )

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

gpixel — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:40:39 GMT

@dougc sims are non refundable. I tried to return my pm sim when I was first thinking of activating with another provider. I'm glad they didn't take it back! 👍 just save it for a referral.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

JoyLuck — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:46:24 GMT

@dougc wrote:
@JoyLuck

When the term 'punchout' is used that is just carefully using your smallest finger tips and gently push it out evenly ? 🙂

Should a fresh utility knife blade be carefully used along the creases first or is there a danger of metal on metal shorting, or damaging the connections if ya slightly spasm ( a LoL moment) ?

dougc

p.s. IF anyone is curious about the Moto G FAST, private message me and I can send you the links i already bmked (Utube review, also a tips'ntricks Utube, along with retailer advert' unit acquired from, a case option )

Just gently push them out with your fingers/thumb.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

dougc — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:45:40 GMT

@gpixel

thanks I was wondering about that when I opened the folder they come in now, and found no seal, you could just slide the base SIM card out from the holder !

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 05:46:45 GMT

@dougc

You're over-thinking it. When you get it out of the flip you'll see how obvious it all is. Good that you kept the frame parts all this time. Pack rats...love it. Me. 🙂 Don't take apart the new one. Give that honour to whoever you give it to.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

dougc — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 06:05:47 GMT

LoL

I've been accused many times of overthinking things (or being too detail orientated ?) .

I "blame" it on the work I did . . . . subsequently, to make sure all 'things' thought of either 'cause I was passing the work onto a contractor, or 'cause working at least 3 hour out of town, was a tad far to acquire something missing and required out on site to complete .

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

JoyLuck — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 06:10:44 GMT

@dougc

It is always good to have an extra sim card around in case you lose your phone. You can quickly change sim cards in self service and pop it into another phone.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Korth — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 12:34:43 GMT

Standard SIM cards do not contain any processor logic or any active circuitry.

There is no way a SIM card could increase signal, performance, processing, or data speeds. There's no way a SIM card could decrease these things either, aside from being defective or malfunctional in some way which inhibits reliable operation.

Consumer SIM cards typically contain only a tiny programmed ROM (which reports the subscriber ID/IMSI stuff, security key tokens, etc) and a small amount of flash-programmable NVRAM (which can be used to store software configurations, contacts, etc).

SIM cards might contain more NVRAM storage capacity or more NVRAM storage partitions than the minimums required by GSM11.11(SIM-ME) and GSM11.14(SIM-API) specifications, and these days they usually do because it's actually cheaper to manufacture with modern high-density NVRAM than with now-obsolete low-density NVRAM. (And these days they typically embed everything onto a single cheap rewritable EEPROM wafer with the critical "unique ID" information encoded into a write-locked partition.)

SIM cards might contain NFC and/or RFID inductor/antenna "tags" (along with CTLS/SEID codecs or other secretive authorization tokens). SIM cards might contain active TPM cryptologic circuits ("black box" security chips). These aren't standard consumer features (they cost more) and they only function in hardware-compatible devices (which also cost more).

There's a few variant form factors (USIM, CSIM, RUIC/RUIM, UICC, others) which aren't intercompatible, different evolutions and different ITC regions, specifically designed so it's physically and electrically "impossible" to use them with the wrong devices. Every SIM card you buy in North America is the same form factor (albeit available in three sizes), you won't encounter any of the other variants unless you purchase them from foreign operators.

eSIMs are electrically identical to SIM cards but are physically embedded into the device (permanently soldered onto the PCB). They of course do away with all the bulk attached to SIM card plastics and SIM card slot mountings - as well as some secondary cap and resistor components, a large mess of signal traces, and the expensive gold plated electrical contact pads - the ones I've seen were 1206-scale SMT packages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module#Developments

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Jb456 — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 12:22:24 GMT

@dougc I just skimmed through the responses so I apologize if I missed someone's post but I did not see any one telling you to NOT activate the new sim card.

First if you can't punch out your old sim card to a smaller size. Which basically means simply push lightly with your thumbs and push it out then you simply have to log into your account and click "Change SIM card".

Green arrow on picture below.

Type the new sim card number that you just bought and your account and number will be on the new sim card. Simply put the new sim in your phone, turn it on and you're good to go.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Jb456 — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 12:30:43 GMT

@dougc Also out of curiosity how much did you pay for the Moto G Fast? If you don't mind sharing?

At Costco in Montreal area they are $199.99

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

cavemantoronto — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 14:02:47 GMT

@dougc Faster? The sim has a memory part of it that could be read faster in newer generations but people don't save comacts on sim any more. It wouldn't be noticed as too small of difference. The salesperson shouldn't make you believe a new sims is better. There's no practical difference in versions.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

Korth — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:32:32 GMT

@cavemantoronto

The SIM-to-device interface has to follow GSM standards. Including clock rates for data transfers.

The nvram blocks in SIM cards and the oscillators/buslogic in SIM slots could always be made to run faster. But the cards are built as cheap as possible, with the lowest-bin silicon which meets standard specs. While the devices use standardized parts selected for consistent compliance with standardized specs, they strictly avoid any deviations which might break compatibility.

There is nothing to gain from increasing this interface speed anyhow. Full storage capacity of a SIM card is usually on the order of up to about 64MB (maximum addressable limit without paging logic). Tiny enough that device DRAM can fully shadow it before reading and fully cache it before writing. A SIM card with impossibly fast and expensive storage performances (comparable to, say, 4xPCIe SSD or dual-channel DDR4) would have absolutely no effect on performance aside from perhaps shaving off a few dozen milliseconds each time the device boots up or shuts down. It's not a mass storage device, it's a cheaper-than-USB-stick EEPROM which only needs to infrequently pass along 32 bytes at a time.

It's something which can be tested very easily. Just compare performances, old SIM card vs new SIM card in the same phone.

The salesperson claiming that a new SIM card will somehow make your phone work faster might as well be saying that a new license plate will somehow make your car drive faster.

Re: Getting Started with a Upgrade ;-)

dougc — Sat, 21 Nov 2020 22:20:49 GMT

Okay that really burns 😂 🤐

I finally hit 'Post' on a reply, and it came back with;

"authentification failed"

And within a red banner;

"Authentication Ticket Mismatched, failed authentication"

And of course the attempted (long multiple @ responses) post content disappeared !

I'm not going to bother with a rewrite other than the last line,

" Thank you all for the previous feedback ! "