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Community Stats

darlicious — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 16:20:12 GMT

New members to the community often ask what kind of participation is required to earn a community reward. Here are the averaged daily post counts of the current top 15 on the bravo leaderboard.

@gblackma 35.0
@Jb456 6.3
@darlicious 22.0
@Anonymous 17.3
@popping 8.2
@JoyLuck 8.3
@CannonFodder 13.0
@Triguy 8.0
@geopublic 17.7
@hairbag1 4.0
@kselmak 3.75
@computergeek541 6.69*
@AE_Collector 3.1
@will13am 6.63*
@dabr 3.75

* Oracle

**** Please do not bravo this post or the following post as its for informational purposes only.

Re: Community Stats

darlicious — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 12:25:01 GMT

......and bravo leaders #16 - #22. (There's no way round that 15 member limit per post!)

@ddeep91 8.97
@ShawnC13 5.12*
@Luddite 5.0*
@Dunkman 6.5
@LurganleUk 6.46
@Staliger 6.43
@mpcdesign 0.054**

* Oracle **average since joining (avg.since 1st post approx. 4.5)

Re: Community Stats

will13am — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 13:01:03 GMT

@darlicious honestly, if you are having to do calculations to reverse engineer the secret reward formula, life's priorities are totally misplaced. The way this should work is you help where you can and let the rest take care of itself. The thing you have to ask yourself is why on earth would anyone want to average 36 posts to make sure the $15 reward is earned? There's less than 36 new threads per day, so you are looking at thread crapping in order to be on the top. How do you know that quality of posts and demeanor in the community has zero value?

It is career limiting and a race to the bottom. Every type A member that played the leaderboard game has either broken themselves over time or develop a damaging reputation. Just look at what happened on the weekend. It is discussions like this that squeeze the competitive juices in altogether the wrong way and lead to greater divisiveness in the community. Achievement without respect isn't worth much.

Anyone in need to make rewards should look to referrals first and foremost. Get a friend or family member to join and the reward is enduring. The need to social distance is obviously an impediment at the moment. Use the downtime to strategize how to best to make use of referral rewards after the covid-19 outbreak is behind us. I guarantee the emotional wellbeing will be fantastic as will the monetary impact. Don't we all wish to win friends and be influential?

Re: Community Stats

darlicious — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 13:43:08 GMT

@will13am Obviously statistics was not a course you enjoyed if it was a prerequisite in your education. The only statistics I use for a game are the official ones from MLB. Please remind me to never go to the Rogers Centre with you from the beginning of April thru September and possibly October.

I personally find stats enlightening and thought other members might find interest in them as well during the doldrums of late.....in being able to give help to other members. But if you feel I need to pad my own stats.... ha! .....please feel free to move this thread to the lounge. Its where ive been spending most of my time lately anyhow.

Re: Community Stats

AE_Collector — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 14:13:08 GMT

Interesting stuff @darlicious

I am a numbers person too so enjoyed seeing it presented this way. Doesn't really mean too much, just another way of presenting the available data.

As for "quality of posts", to some extent, though this is a very small sample period/size which makes the +/- % high.. Quality of posts is certainly an indicated factor.

AE_Collector

Re: Community Stats

PAULRANG18 — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 14:30:06 GMT

Very well said, will13am. I couldn't agree more. I haven't posted anything for about a month and a half in the Community. It seems to have become a race ,a competition and it should not be that way. Don't know when I'll post regularly again.

Re: Community Stats

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 14:50:12 GMT

I wonder if it's kind of an obsession/addiction thing that people eventually snap out of. I know I had what will13am mentioned...trying to be certain that I got maximum reward. But it takes a crap load o' time. I wonder that people just kind of move away from that if not even mostly stop. I became satisfied with any dubious achievements I had accomplished here and backed right off. I'm still here. I get ninja'd. Or I don't bother replying with yet another repeat post. I might clarify some mis-information if I feel like it. I still get that brain hit of satisfaction seeing a person on their way working.

But sure in this time of idle waiting for if and when the world might get back to any sense of normalcy...spend ones time however one sees fit.

Re: Community Stats

LurganIeUk — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:10:46 GMT

@darlicious

Keep up the good work. You seem to have similar tenacity as did Erin Brockovich.

Re: Community Stats

ShawnC13 — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:12:14 GMT

@darlicious , these stats are purely based on quantity why not emphasize the quality and look at Bravo's per post or percentage of solutions of the total post count

Re: Community Stats

AE_Collector — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 02:57:53 GMT

I'm certain that looking back at the community rewards announcements or bravo leaderboard over several years, month by month would reveal exactly that, people coming and going. Large numbers of people ~~waste~~ spend inordinate amounts of time online, me included. The PM community is just another addiction for most of us here because we have time to be online, enjoy helping and appreciate the small rewards we may receive. But in the end once it becomes such a challenge, most will burn out and start to fall behind and then eventually finding a sustainable level of activity.

AE_Collector

Re: Community Stats

LurganIeUk — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:46:56 GMT

@AE_Collector wrote:
I'm certain that looking back at the community rewards announcements or bravo leaderboard over several years, month by month would reveal exactly that, people coming and going. Large numbers of people ~~waste~~ spend inordinate amounts if time online, me included. The PM community is just another addiction for most of us here because we have time to be online, enjoy helping and appreciate the small rewards we may receive. But in the end once it becomes such a challenge, most will burn out and start to fall behind eventually finding a sustainable level of activity.

AE_Collector

Good point. But I would also like to add that some good people leave because they have been discouraged by some members here that have poor people skills and don’t promote or guide us all into good discussions.

Re: Community Stats

darlicious — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:55:57 GMT

@ShawnC13 I have posted about solution and bravo counts per post ....perhaps not as comprehensive of a list as this one. @AE_Collector bemoaned his pitiful solution percentage (no offense meant) and you added a member with a high solution percentage that I missed. As simple as these stats are you can read into them the quality of posts. With the exception of a few of us (myself included) the vast majority of the members in the top 22 as presented have a post count of 6 or lower indicating it is the quality of posts that matter not the quantity.

My own stats as a percentage of post/bravo/solution are very likely (without doing the math here) the worst of the entire list by a longshot. Those of you that have read many of them can decide if they are purely quantitative or qualitative or a combination of the two. Consistent top 22 members have a minimum 5 % solution rate with exceptionally few members over 10%. @AE_Collector and I have solution percentages well under 5%. But take the stats any way you want to read them.....or read into them.

Re: Community Stats

will13am — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:01:39 GMT

@darlicious , I am a believer in free speech and not nearly OCD enough to want to move this post. Where you placed it is fine by me. I am just saying that there is already enough competition ripping the community apart and that there is no need to pour accelerant into the fire. If you have lots of time on your hands and want to be helpful, how about coming up with ideas that foster collaboration instead. What would also be of better benefit to other members are lessons on how to provide better quality posts over massive quantities as @ShawnC13 has referred to. I know there is no leaderboard tracking quality. Rest assured, there is tangible recognition.

Re: Community Stats

XionBunny — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:13:07 GMT

Topics like these take the fun out of helping here, helping in its self should be a selfless act, the fact we get any kind of compensation is just a bonus.

Re: Community Stats

CannonFodder — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:20:45 GMT

@will13am wrote:

It is career limiting and a race to the bottom. Every type A member that played the leaderboard game has either broken themselves over time or develop a damaging reputation. Just look at what happened on the weekend. It is discussions like this that squeeze the competitive juices in altogether the wrong way and lead to greater divisiveness in the community. Achievement without respect isn't worth much.

That last sentence is something that you should be all too familiar with..... 😠

Re: Community Stats

LurganIeUk — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:20:58 GMT

@XionBunny wrote:
Topics like these take the fun out of helping here, helping in its self should be a selfless act, the fact we get any kind of compensation is just a bonus.

Are not the first 2 posts from OP helpful? So she is willing to allow us to better understand? I see nothing wrong with it. I am a numbers person too. But this is not some thing that I would undertake. But @darlicious has taken the time and interest to do so. So why discourage? If you don't like what you see, change the channel.

Re: Community Stats

darlicious — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:25:24 GMT

@will13am Yes I suppose that manual (my style) collating of those stats would occupy a large amount of the time I have on my hands. But how to decide what is qualitative (variety of subject, informative, original, comprehensive) and what is not (repetitive ie macros? or repetitive in the same thread, frivolous, one line posts, incorrect/guesses) would be highly subjective.

Re: Community Stats

PAULRANG18 — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:37:57 GMT

Very well said, again, will13am! It's obvious this has become an intense competition between certain members and I'm glad you addressed it. This is why I haven't participated for a while. Hopefully, things change for the better but not sure. Everyone stay well during these dark times.

Re: Community Stats

will13am — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 17:09:17 GMT

@PAULRANG18 , thank you for expressing your true feelings as a typical member. This is exactly the issue I am trying bring out with my responses to this thread. It is off putting to see type A members who need yet another post/bravo like they need another hole in the head come running with elbows out crowding everyone out of the way when a new response opportunity presents itself. The community forum becomes a colosseum rather than a place to offer help. As a result, what appears to be extraordinary effort is sullied and garner negative respect.

Re: Community Stats

AE_Collector — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 17:31:29 GMT

I don't see this topic as fanning any flames at all, it is just information that we may not all be aware of. Of course people all interpret things differently.

Quiet here otherwise so generating some discussion.

Myself I feel like being helpful on the community by making up a template that they can use when asking for here to fill in for their topic starting post.

Stuff like:

-plan I am on including cost, days and included data.

-my last renewal date

-how long with Public Mobile

-my approximate location in Canada

-And likely a few more (not Too many) basic facts to include along with the OPs request for help.

But.. With no way to present the template to users asking for help and no way to encourage the first community member who replies to post the link to the template without launching into all the usual questions to pry info from the OP in hopes of getting "more Bravos" and "the Solution" ... It's hopeless.

AE_Collector