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Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

zblackma — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:39:01 GMT

I noticed under the Spoiler section under section 1 that only one entry is allowed per person. The question @Tiana_V is will the entrants with multiple entries be allowed to delete, strike out the content and still be eligible, or are they now ineligible. Thanks.

Valentines Day Contest
CONTEST RULES

HOW TO ENTER & ELIGIBILITY
No Purchase Necessary. To enter entrants must share, in the Public Mobile Community post, how they show their loved ones that they care about them. Only one entry per person accepted. No other form of participation is accepted. In the event of a dispute on the entrant identity, the person who is the holder of the email address specified on the online form will be deemed to be the entrant.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

darlicious — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:52:08 GMT

@zblackma Now I can't say this for sure but it is likely that public mobile simply puts the email associated with the post in the contest "drum barrel". This is a pretty easy way for a computer to sort thru entrants in the contest eliminating the possibility of more than one entry. As it's unlikely there are purposeful multiple entries just responses and comments to the the "official entries".

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

danielj — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:17:08 GMT

@zblackma wrote:
I noticed under the Spoiler section under section 1 that only one entry is allowed per person. The question @Tiana_V is will the entrants with multiple entries be allowed to delete, strike out the content and still be eligible, or are they now ineligible. Thanks.

Valentines Day Contest
CONTEST RULES

HOW TO ENTER & ELIGIBILITY
No Purchase Necessary. To enter entrants must share, in the Public Mobile Community post, how they show their loved ones that they care about them. Only one entry per person accepted. No other form of participation is accepted. In the event of a dispute on the entrant identity, the person who is the holder of the email address specified on the online form will be deemed to be the entrant.

As @darlicious seems to be saying is that it is likely to assume that they will just use our emails and just take it only once into the method of randomly choosing a winner, how ever many times we post or reply.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

will13am — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:25:26 GMT

@darlicious wrote:
@zblackma Now I can't say this for sure but it is likely that public mobile simply puts the email associated with the post in the contest "drum barrel". This is a pretty easy way for a computer to sort thru entrants in the contest eliminating the possibility of more than one entry. As it's unlikely there are purposeful multiple entries just responses and comments to the the "official entries".

I sense your are 100% correct. What value is there in punishing someone who might have overlooked or was not aware and made a mistake? The prizes are going to be handed out anyway. Someone that posts twice is no less deserving to win as long as the selection process is equitable.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:25:55 GMT

@zblackma wrote:
I noticed under the Spoiler section under section 1 that only one entry is allowed per person. The question @Tiana_V is will the entrants with multiple entries be allowed to delete, strike out the content and still be eligible, or are they now ineligible. Thanks.

Valentines Day Contest
CONTEST RULES

HOW TO ENTER & ELIGIBILITY
No Purchase Necessary. To enter entrants must share, in the Public Mobile Community post, how they show their loved ones that they care about them. Only one entry per person accepted. No other form of participation is accepted. In the event of a dispute on the entrant identity, the person who is the holder of the email address specified on the online form will be deemed to be the entrant.

I think they should be disqualified. Others don't agree. The company doesn't seem to agree. Some say they make a so-called official entry and then post other things in the thread. I say it should be one post per person. If people "manage" multiple accounts then as long as those multiple accounts represent real persons then they are entitled to one entry.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

will13am — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:40:13 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
@zblackma wrote:
I noticed under the Spoiler section under section 1 that only one entry is allowed per person. The question @Tiana_V is will the entrants with multiple entries be allowed to delete, strike out the content and still be eligible, or are they now ineligible. Thanks.

Valentines Day Contest
CONTEST RULES

HOW TO ENTER & ELIGIBILITY
No Purchase Necessary. To enter entrants must share, in the Public Mobile Community post, how they show their loved ones that they care about them. Only one entry per person accepted. No other form of participation is accepted. In the event of a dispute on the entrant identity, the person who is the holder of the email address specified on the online form will be deemed to be the entrant.
I think they should be disqualified. Others don't agree. The company doesn't seem to agree. Some say they make a so-called official entry and then post other things in the thread. I say it should be one post per person. If people "manage" multiple accounts then as long as those multiple accounts represent real persons then they are entitled to one entry.

I would agree with you if it can be proven that the tiny misstep is filled with ill intentions. There seems to be a lot of for this kind of desire for vigilante justice here as if every member is out to be evil. Let's whack members for the littlest things and set an example that there's zero tolerance.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:52:17 GMT

@will13am wrote:
I would agree with you if it can be proven that the tiny misstep is filled with ill intentions. There seems to be a lot of for this kind of desire for vigilante justice here as if every member is out to be evil. Let's whack members for the littlest things and set an example that there's zero tolerance.

It's not about ill-intentions. It's about not following the rules (as not entirely clear as they are). This is a contest/random draw to win something. The rules to win should be up-held. It's only fair to those that are complying with the rules. What's the point of rules then.

This is not about off-topic "advertising" threads where there could be all kinds of grey.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

gblackma — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:19:20 GMT

👍I agree with @Anonymous , the previous contest in January had no limit upon the amount of entries one could post. So you could enter as many times as you wanted. This one does. So if you enter multiple times using the same community user name you should be disqualified. And I don't agree with @zblackma for offering them what constitutes a mulligan. The rules are the rules, as you constantly tell me mom🤔.

@will13am , @danielj , @darlicious , exactly what is an official entry? And when is an innocent mistake just stacking the contest? More than 2?

@Anonymous If you have multiple accounts, you can enter multiple times as long as you use a unique community user name that applies to each individual account.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

will13am — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:20:49 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
@will13am wrote:
I would agree with you if it can be proven that the tiny misstep is filled with ill intentions. There seems to be a lot of for this kind of desire for vigilante justice here as if every member is out to be evil. Let's whack members for the littlest things and set an example that there's zero tolerance.
It's not about ill-intentions. It's about not following the rules (as not entirely clear as they are). This is a contest/random draw to win something. The rules to win should be up-held. It's only fair to those that are complying with the rules. What's the point of rules then.
This is not about off-topic "advertising" threads where there could be all kinds of grey.

They could do the draw the way @darlicious explained it. There are ways other than to DQ people who put in that second post. We will see if an official statement will be given. Of course if strict compliance was intended, it would take little to add a clarification that multiple posts results in disqualification. It's just a community forum and a contest with a small prize. Let's not make it like life and limb are on the line here.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:50:57 GMT

@gblackma

From what I recall, all these contest draws have had a one entry per person rule.

I guess we would need to know the exact method that the company is using for these draws to get an understanding of how fair they are.

I also understand about multiple accounts. That's why I said people would be entitled to an entry.

@will13am

And lets not exaggerate either 🙂 This is an even "lesser" value draw than the virtual money of the Amazon draws. But it should still be run fairly and rules complied with. The words used are "eligible" and "accepted". Not yeah whatever so you salted the contest with dozens of "entries" but we only drew one of them. Statisticians would be better able to explain how that works.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

darlicious — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:06:46 GMT

I usually take my time and post my official entry in the contest thread with something to say or show.But I've also commented on other members entries. Is this considered an entry? I don't consider it one. What about when a new member posts a question...and others answer it. Are those entries?This seems to be making something out of nothing. It's one entry per email and a random draw. Geez...you should have made a new years resolution to be lucky!

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

will13am — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:34:54 GMT

@darlicious wrote:
I usually take my time and post my official entry in the contest thread with something to say or show.But I've also commented on other members entries. Is this considered an entry? I don't consider it one. What about when a new member posts a question...and others answer it. Are those entries?This seems to be making something out of nothing. It's one entry per email and a random draw. Geez...you should have made a new years resolution to be lucky!

Maybe we can take this as an admission of guilt. For the brutal honesty, you should be allowed to select the form of punishment. What do you think?

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

darlicious — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:40:40 GMT

@will13am wrote:
@darlicious wrote:
I usually take my time and post my official entry in the contest thread with something to say or show.But I've also commented on other members entries. Is this considered an entry? I don't consider it one. What about when a new member posts a question...and others answer it. Are those entries?This seems to be making something out of nothing. It's one entry per email and a random draw. Geez...you should have made a new years resolution to be lucky!
Maybe we can take this as an admission of guilt. For the brutal honesty, you should be allowed to select the form of punishment. What do you think?

Hmmmm.......this seems to be leading to a pie in the face moment.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

gblackma — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:38:56 GMT

So , it seems that it's okay for certain people here to break the rules. And for the rest of us who obey them to have to accept that . If someone asks a question, point it out to the Oracle's or private message them and help them. Gee whiz I have had a moderator called in on me to clarify something I had posted. And the answer by an Oracle no less, is that my mom is crying over spilt milk. Give me a break.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

computergeek541 — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:55:51 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
@zblackma wrote:
I noticed under the Spoiler section under section 1 that only one entry is allowed per person. The question @Tiana_V is will the entrants with multiple entries be allowed to delete, strike out the content and still be eligible, or are they now ineligible. Thanks.

Valentines Day Contest
CONTEST RULES

HOW TO ENTER & ELIGIBILITY
No Purchase Necessary. To enter entrants must share, in the Public Mobile Community post, how they show their loved ones that they care about them. Only one entry per person accepted. No other form of participation is accepted. In the event of a dispute on the entrant identity, the person who is the holder of the email address specified on the online form will be deemed to be the entrant.
I think they should be disqualified. Others don't agree. The company doesn't seem to agree. Some say they make a so-called official entry and then post other things in the thread. I say it should be one post per person. If people "manage" multiple accounts then as long as those multiple accounts represent real persons then they are entitled to one entry.

I wouldn't say disqualified just becuase there is a second post by a member in a thread such as this if someone is simply having a discussion with someone else or answering a question. In the past contests, there were instances of people posting multiple identical messages, but Public Mobile should easily be able to only count a username as only being entered once.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

darlicious — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:00:20 GMT

If we're going to go as far as to disqualify members then get rid of the ability to reply to posts. You get one reply to the original post and that's it. No commenting, no encouraging others, no building community spirit just stick your name in a hat and be done with it.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

gblackma — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:10:28 GMT

So @computergeek541 how many extra posts in such a contest is enough before it becomes cheating? 3, 4 , 5 , 10? Why put a rule in a contest and then choose to ignore it @Tiana_V ? The lounge is for building community spirit @darlicious .

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

computergeek541 — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:28:45 GMT

@gblackma wrote:
So @computergeek541 how many extra posts in such a contest is enough before it becomes cheating? 3, 4 , 5 , 10? Why put a rule in a contest and then choose to ignore it @Tiana_V ? The lounge is for building community spirit @darlicious .

If someone makes 1 post or 5 posts in a contest thread, Public Mobile should be counting that as one entry. I'm almost certain that's how it's being done, but if it isn't, that's something that Public Mobile would need to implement.

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

darlicious — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 00:05:23 GMT

@gblackma wrote:
So @computergeek541 how many extra posts in such a contest is enough before it becomes cheating? 3, 4 , 5 , 10? Why put a rule in a contest and then choose to ignore it @Tiana_V ? The lounge is for building community spirit @darlicious .

@gblackma HA! After today I would say the lounge is a dispiriting dungeon! The lounge is for socializing....please share your definition of the discussion category?

Re: Question on Multiple Entries in the Happy Valentine’s Day! ontest

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 03:55:09 GMT

The problem of letting people post multiple times in a random draw is that they increase their odds. Out of 1000 responses say, that person posts say 20 times. Then one of those posts gets randomly selected. Oh so now it's one entry? No. It shouldn't be. As evidenced by the odd person coming forward saying they won and that they posted multiple times...it seems the company doesn't abide by their rule. They should. Then just call it as it really is...a free for all. Enter as often as you like. No one cares.

So...one real actual person enters once. That's the rule. An entry is a reply/post. Only once. Put in more "ballots" in the "draw box" and you get disqualified. Draw another name. Did they only do one entry? Yup. Contact/verify/test/award. Draw another name. Did they only do one entry? Hey no they had all these replies. Nuh uh. Draw another name.

The draw thread isn't a support thread. Questions from newbs can be extracted to let the question be answered. If a newb has already entered and then they ask a question in the thread...disqualify. If someone answers that question that has already entered...disqualify.

Sure...force one reply. Will they figure out how to make that happen in Khoros? Not likely. Will they check for multiple posts? Not likely apparently. 🙂