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How do you think the future will affect us?

Mountainmaxman — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 14:35:25 GMT

With 5G coming out and old 3G towers being taken out of service, I wonder will Public speeds go up to 4G? And with all of the recent 'deals' being offered by others with high amounts of 4G data options this option does not seem as good of a deal as it use to be. What do you guys think will change here or will Public mobile become less used?

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

AE_Collector — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:30:12 GMT

Yes I agree, PM isn't quite as good of a deal as it used to be now that the big guys have cut their prices a bit AND offered unlimited reduced speed data. Still a better deal for me by far though. PM is already using 4G/LTE but with a speed limit so I suspect that some data could already be on the 5G network but with the same speed limit.

AE_Collector

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

mimmo — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:41:52 GMT

@Mountainmaxman it all depends on you needs, and price points the carrier's will offer. What the various offers will be no one knows. Except that pm will not get 5g. That will be Telus, and possibly Koodo.

Ias for losing 3g towers I don't know how that can happen as all voice I believe is done on 3g bands. Not LTE.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

will13am — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 01:03:50 GMT

Unless we start seeing truly unlimited data plans and we start using mobile data for all our online needs, 5G is meaningless. There are people in the rural areas being served home internet on 4G/LTE.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

kav2001c — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 01:06:08 GMT

@Mountainmaxman

Public never used 3G towers (3G speed limits on 4G towers)

They are just now (finally) decommisioning the 2G network (and iDEN went down a couple years ago)

You really think 3G will shut down any time soon?

The prediction is 2022 but I am willing to bet it will be same as 2G shutdown (dragged on for years, not allowing new activations just waiting for clients to upgrade)

As late as 2018 you could activate a 2G phone in Canada lol

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

jor123 — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 12:41:34 GMT

@kav2001c wrote:
@Mountainmaxman
Public never used 3G towers (3G speed limits on 4G towers)
They are just now (finally) decommisioning the 2G network (and iDEN went down a couple years ago)
You really think 3G will shut down any time soon?

The prediction is 2022 but I am willing to bet it will be same as 2G shutdown (dragged on for years, not allowing new activations just waiting for clients to upgrade)

As late as 2018 you could activate a 2G phone in Canada lol

Public uses 3G / UMTS for all voice calls.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

srlawren — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:46:41 GMT

@kav2001c Telus shutdown their 2G (okay maybe 2.5G?) CDMA network in May 2017; Rogers will sunset their 2G GSM at the end of next year. Public Mobile has been on 3G (UMTS/W-CDMA) since Telus bought them and moved over their subsriber base from independent PM's legacy CDMA network.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

computergeek541 — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:27:20 GMT

@srlawren wrote:
@kav2001c Telus shutdown their 2G (okay maybe 2.5G?) CDMA network in May 2017; Rogers will sunset their 2G GSM at the end of next year. Public Mobile has been on 3G (UMTS/W-CDMA) since Telus bought them and moved over their subsriber base from independent PM's legacy CDMA network.

There was a time that Bell and Telus were referring to the CDMA network as 3g. When the HSPA network launced, they insisted on calling that 4g.

The so-called 3g CDMA network was using EVDO and did allow voice and data to be used at the same time.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

madhi19 — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:35:57 GMT

Don't worry about it. The limitation of 5G are pretty brutal despite the marketing they need a lot more towers than feasible. Figure it's going to roll out for commercial use first. ISP's going from physical node to wireless that sorts of things. Instead worry about whatever standard come next. Once they have a standard that won't require a tower on every corner that when the industry will upgrade for the general customers.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

srlawren — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:09:39 GMT

@computergeek541 wrote:
The so-called 3g CDMA network was using EVDO and did allow voice and data to be used at the same time.

@computergeek541 yeah I remember that being a big deal when it launched! EVDO was a nice step forward, but I believe most consider it 2.5G rather than proper 3G.

@madhi19 wrote:
Don't worry about it. The limitation of 5G are pretty brutal despite the marketing they need a lot more towers than feasible. Figure it's going to roll out for commercial use first. ISP's going from physical node to wireless that sorts of things. Instead worry about whatever standard come next. Once they have a standard that won't require a tower on every corner that when the industry will upgrade for the general customers.

@madhi19 yeah, moving even a few inches can be the difference between lightning-fast and painfully slow, from what I've seen in a few tests on YouTube. 4G fallback is absolutely a must.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

computergeek541 — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:26:08 GMT

@srlawren wrote:
@computergeek541 wrote:
The so-called 3g CDMA network was using EVDO and did allow voice and data to be used at the same time.
@computergeek541 yeah I remember that being a big deal when it launched! EVDO was a nice step forward, but I believe most consider it 2.5G rather than proper 3G.

That depends on who you asked. Customers didn't consider it to be 3g, just as customers didn't usually consider HSPA+ to be 4g.

The Bell Mobility coverage maps labelled EVDO as "3g". Some of the phones even had a sticker on them that said "3g by Qualcomm".

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

jor123 — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:31:10 GMT

@madhi19 wrote:
Don't worry about it. The limitation of 5G are pretty brutal despite the marketing they need a lot more towers than feasible. Figure it's going to roll out for commercial use first. ISP's going from physical node to wireless that sorts of things. Instead worry about whatever standard come next. Once they have a standard that won't require a tower on every corner that when the industry will upgrade for the general customers.

The network is going to have to be far more dense than it is now as well. Especially outside of cities here you're lucky to even stay on 700MHz LTE without falling back to UMTS/HSPA on the TCH.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

kav2001c — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:55:55 GMT

@srlawren

In some ways the later revision of EVDO (B if I remember) was far superior but more people wanted unlocked phones and SIM cards

So much so that CDMA actually worked on the RUIM SIM standerd that basically went nowhere

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

kav2001c — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:59:14 GMT

@computergeek541

REV 0 was 3G

REV A (and REV B which Bell never finished) were 4G

Same way LTE is not true 4G

It wasn't until LTE Advanced they actually met the standerds

Marketing be damned (it was the US, in particular Sprint & T Mobile) who false advertised heavily and the carriers were all pushing the internation standerds

@computergeek541 wrote:
@srlawren wrote:
@computergeek541 wrote:
The so-called 3g CDMA network was using EVDO and did allow voice and data to be used at the same time.
@computergeek541 yeah I remember that being a big deal when it launched! EVDO was a nice step forward, but I believe most consider it 2.5G rather than proper 3G.
That depends on who you asked. Customers didn't consider it to be 3g, just as customers didn't usually consider HSPA+ to be 4g.

The Bell Mobility coverage maps labelled EVDO as "3g". Some of the phones even had a sticker on them that said "3g by Qualcomm".

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

computergeek541 — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:54:37 GMT

@kav2001c wrote:
@computergeek541
REV 0 was 3G
REV A (and REV B which Bell never finished) were 4G

Same way LTE is not true 4G
It wasn't until LTE Advanced they actually met the standerds

Marketing be damned (it was the US, in particular Sprint & T Mobile) who false advertised heavily and the carriers were all pushing the internation standerds

Didn't they push through a change in the standards that allowed them to advertise HSPA+ as "4g"?

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

sheytoon — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:03:06 GMT

@Mountainmaxman I don't see 3G being decommissioned until 2025 at the earliest. Public Mobile already uses the 4G network for data and text, and will eventually enable VoLTE as well. In terms of speed increases, I can only see them doing this if a competitor does it first.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

sheytoon — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:07:22 GMT

@madhi19 what you're describing is the limitations of mmWave frequencies, not 5G technology.

In the US they have initially deployed 5G on mmWave only, that's why the issues are present. There's no requirement to deploy this way. In Canada you might see lower frequency bands deployed for 5G, and the coverage and experience will be similar or slightly better than 4G today.

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

srlawren — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:54:23 GMT

@sheytoon wrote:

In the US they have initially deployed 5G on mmWave only, that's why the issues are present. There's no requirement to deploy this way. In Canada you might see lower frequency bands deployed for 5G, and the coverage and experience will be similar or slightly better than 4G today.

@sheytoon I did not know that, thanks for the enlightenment!

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

kav2001c — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:26:26 GMT

Exactly

Standerds today were lowered so the stuff they sold as 4G back then could actually be called 4G

It was the wild west for a few years with all kinds of marketing nonsense

@computergeek541 wrote:
@kav2001c wrote:
@computergeek541
REV 0 was 3G
REV A (and REV B which Bell never finished) were 4G

Same way LTE is not true 4G
It wasn't until LTE Advanced they actually met the standerds

Marketing be damned (it was the US, in particular Sprint & T Mobile) who false advertised heavily and the carriers were all pushing the internation standerds

Didn't they push through a change in the standards that allowed them to advertise HSPA+ as "4g"?

Re: How do you think the future will affect us?

JuanKennedy — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 22:24:52 GMT

The future?....the future!

It’s going to come down to

“us” vs the “machines”

I’m a be John Conners up in this muthaphuka!!! Believe dat!!!

yo iPhone or yo kids...