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How are rewards calculated?

katiatall — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 07:02:57 GMT

I know that this "How are rewards calculated?" subject has been in focus before with no results ------ but why the secrecy?

Re: How are rewards calculated?

yiatioxi-ok — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 16:44:48 GMT

Rewards are determined using a secret formula known only to aliens

@katiatall wrote:
I know that this "How are rewards calculated?" subject has been in focus before with no results ------ but why the secrecy?

Re: How are rewards calculated?

ohitora — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 16:48:50 GMT

It's classified information not be be discussed

@katiatall wrote:
I know that this "How are rewards calculated?" subject has been in focus before with no results ------ but why the secrecy?

Re: How are rewards calculated?

srlawren — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 16:55:17 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
I know that this "How are rewards calculated?" subject has been in focus before with no results ------ but why the secrecy?

@katiatall I'm assuming you're referring the community reward? I believe that the explaination we have received in the past is to not encourage/enable people to game the system. In other words, if you knew the weighting formula favoured a certain type of activity, you might try to do mostly that, and a lot of it, in order to try to artificially inflate your relative ranking and thus your reward payout. I think the thought is that keeping the criteria unknown encourages us all to just be helpful and see what happens. Basically.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

Shapla001 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:02:09 GMT

@srlawren wrote:
@katiatall wrote:
I know that this "How are rewards calculated?" subject has been in focus before with no results ------ but why the secrecy?
@katiatall I'm assuming you're referring the community reward? I believe that the explaination we have received in the past is to not encourage/enable people to game the system. In other words, if you knew the weighting formula favoured a certain type of activity, you might try to do mostly that, and a lot of it, in order to try to artificially inflate your relative ranking and thus your reward payout. I think the thought is that keeping the criteria unknown encourages us all to just be helpful and see what happens. Basically.

Totally agreed. If the formula is known, only heavy weitage items will have participation. This in a way hampers the growth in the community

Re: How are rewards calculated?

stonechucker — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:13:16 GMT

Read, help, bravo the good stuff, and in general participate. Do it a little, do it a lot.

Just help everyone make it enjoyable.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

ShawnC13 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:57:55 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
I know that this "How are rewards calculated?" subject has been in focus before with no results ------ but why the secrecy?

Hmmm I wonder why all the secrecy around how rewards are awarded. Are we going to go through this again?

https://productioncommunity.publicmobile.ca/t5/Rewards/BRAVO-all-positive-and-helpful-Posts/m-p/247349

ETA I forgot this thread https://productioncommunity.publicmobile.ca/t5/Getting-Started/How-does-one-customize-their-avatar/td-p/247649

From your friend Ohitora

https://productioncommunity.publicmobile.ca/t5/Discussions/Bravo-Abuse/m-p/247322#M72316

These are Bravos received

I bet if we were to go through the top three in the picture above it would look very similar to this.

Now the Bravos you have given and for someone that says they Bravo everyone or was that Ohitaro can't remember I get your accounts mixed up it doesn't seem that you do.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

ShawnC13 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 19:53:36 GMT

@katiatall, it is kept a secret so there is no gaming of the system for the rewards and you have been told this before.

You have given @ohitora 20 Bravos and they have 120 posts

You have given @yiatioxi-ok 19 Bravo's and they have 69 posts

You have given @will13am (the all-time Bravo leader) 3 Bravo's and he has 7714 posts

You have given @srlawren, 3 bravos and he has 9016 Posts

Sorry srlawren for using you in the example but it was just perfectly obvious why the formula is kept secretive

So I can see why they keep it a secret

Re: How are rewards calculated?

stonechucker — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 18:42:05 GMT

I had 9 notifications this morning all from one user this morning bravo and kudos. I have one friend referral, and he doesn't even participate in the community.

I just help out because I like to. I'm also pretty critical of issues that have been around for 2 years.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

katiatall — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 20:37:55 GMT

I don’t keep track of the Bravos I have given

@ShawnC13 wrote:
@katiatall, it is kept a secret so there is no gaming of the system for the rewards and you have been told this before.
You have given @ohitora 20 Bravos and they have 120 posts
You have given @yiatioxi-ok 19 Bravo's and they have 69 posts
You have given @will13am (the all-time Bravo leader) 3 Bravo's and he has 7714 posts
You have given @srlawren, 3 bravos and he has 9016 Posts
Sorry srlawren for using you in the example but it was just perfectly obvious why the formula is kept secretive

So I can see why they keep it a secret

but I think your examples are — well Trump like - fake news- and is a direct attack.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

will13am — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 20:40:06 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
And your point is?

Suspicion. How do you explain the lopsided application of bravos? Have you heard of neighborhood watch programs. We have one here. You don't have to like @srlawren or myself, but shameless self promotions are detectable.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

katiatall — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 20:47:49 GMT

In addition to my previous complaint about you — just you saying sorry does not justify your arrogance in assuming you have the right to go against members privacy rules by posting naming and publicizing their forum names and number of posts. I suggest that you try to control your desire to be a forum bully because after all your not even a moderator and just a person with too much idle time.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

ShawnC13 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 20:51:28 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
I don’t keep track of the Bravos I have given
@ShawnC13 wrote:
@katiatall, it is kept a secret so there is no gaming of the system for the rewards and you have been told this before.
You have given @ohitora 20 Bravos and they have 120 posts
You have given @yiatioxi-ok 19 Bravo's and they have 69 posts
You have given @will13am (the all-time Bravo leader) 3 Bravo's and he has 7714 posts
You have given @srlawren, 3 bravos and he has 9016 Posts
Sorry srlawren for using you in the example but it was just perfectly obvious why the formula is kept secretive

So I can see why they keep it a secret

but I think your examples are — well Trump like - fake news- and is a direct attack.

Ok how is this fake news? I have posted screen shots and taken the numbers directly from there. Please tell me how this is fake news?

Re: How are rewards calculated?

ShawnC13 — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:20:45 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
In addition to my previous complaint about you — just you saying sorry does not justify your arrogance in assuming you have the right to go against members privacy rules by posting naming and publicizing their forum names and number of posts. I suggest that you try to control your desire to be a forum bully because after all your not even a moderator and just a person with too much idle time.

Nothing that I posted is private and every member of the forum can easily see all of this. There is no special access required to see any of what I have posted. I am not a forum Bully, just tired of the way some people treat the community and the reward system here.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

katiatall — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 20:58:44 GMT

With respect I will point out that the Bravo examples given were selective and do not show an accurate picture. Persons give Bravos to posts they agree with or find useful— By the negative criticism given , the cats out of the bag, because it is now clear that rewards are given based in part as to Bravos given and received. Just perhaps given rewards based on Bravos is a flaw in the system and should be reviewed. My suggestion could be to limit rewards given only to members that give solutions to the best of their knowledge.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

ShawnC13 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 21:12:06 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
With respect I will point out that the Bravo examples given were selective and do not show an accurate picture. Persons give Bravos to posts they agree with or find useful— By the negative criticism given , the cats out of the bag, because it is now clear that rewards are given based in part as to Bravos given and received. Just perhaps given rewards based on Bravos is a flaw in the system and should be reviewed. My suggestion could be to limit rewards given only to members that give solutions to the best of their knowledge.

It has always been stated that Bravos do play a part in the reward system. My examples were selected from your top 10 people you have given Bravos to. Your top 2 have a combined 189 posts and you have bravo'd them 39 times. Number 8 and 9 in your top 10 have 16,735 posts but only 6 were helpful enough to Bravo. I guess we need your top 2 people to participate more as they seem to help WAY more than two of the most respected and helpful posters in the community.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

katiatall — Sat, 06 Oct 2018 04:19:12 GMT

Just perhaps if members knew what positive activity would be rewarded then they would strive do just that and not make a circus of this forum.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

RobertQc — Sat, 06 Oct 2018 04:22:33 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
Just perhaps if members knew what positive activity would be rewarded then they would strive do just that and not make a circus of this forum.

It's quite simple.

1) Bravo posts that are helpful.

2) Make posts that are helpful (which will get you bravo's and solutions)

Thats it.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

katiatall — Sat, 06 Oct 2018 04:24:33 GMT

Rewards are usually given to encourage positive activities. Bravos are just — well Bravos and no reason to be rewarded.

Re: How are rewards calculated?

RobertQc — Sat, 06 Oct 2018 04:30:06 GMT

@katiatall wrote:
Rewards are usually given to encourage positive activities. Bravos are just — well Bravos and no reason to be rewarded.

It's not that difficult to look at the "top contributors" post each month, and look at active participants for the last month, use their 1%, 5%, 10%, etc and compare it with the number of bravo's and solutions and posts of those groups and come up with your own calculation.

You have the answer, you just need to make the formula at which they came up with the answer. It's really not hard if you pay attention and spend a little time each month. Microsoft excel is a heck of a program.

But whats the friggen point in trying to get $1 or $2 or $5 more dollors. Be helpful and you will be reward. Thats it.