topic Re: Information in The Lounge

Re: Information

Jb456 — Sat, 16 Jan 2021 23:06:46 GMT

@ShawnC13 going to write this in English.

Of course Shawn has something to say that's obviously a given. 🙄 Stop thinking you're entitled because you have a little star next to your name. When some of you Oracle's (not all some) start treating "all" regular members the same than maybe you'll get it in return.

Sorry to say Shawn. When Oracle's new or old provide incorrect information and a regular member has to correct them. I can say what I feel. It's not the first time I've had to correct this particular one (3 or 4 in last few days) and prior to them becoming an Oracle I've had to go through posts to solve the person's issue when this person always directs them to contact the moderators. Even a thread that ended up being like 8 pages with myself and OP going back n forth to get the problem solved instead of how it started by saying contact mods. It's almost always contact mods.

Maybe new Oracle's should take the time learning about the system before continuing what they did prior to being an Oracle. Should have been a PM requirement if you ask me. How's it fair that you guys can write whatever you please and still collect a free $20 when us regular members have to actually put in work to earn a higher reward?

Maybe I'll start to game the system and just reply to every post "contact mods". Since we all know PM secret formula goes by total post count. Doesn't matter if it's one line or a nice well written detailed post. So maybe Oracle's should start mentoring many of the newbies that are doing this. Just saying!

Isn't it everyone's duty on these forums (regular and Oracle's) to try to solve the issue for the client without the need of directing them to moderators? At least that's how I was mentored by some Oracles when I first started posting. I believe you were one of them also before you changed your tune and decided you had something against me lol.

And don't say "It's not an Oracle's Job to mentor people" it was right in the Oracle application. Haven't seen that being done by any Oracle's in several months (several several). These days you guys let many on the English forums throw one liners, incorrect information, cause tons of confusion for the OP and sit back at let it go all of the time!. Which is not right or fair to a handful of regular members (myself included) that actually go the extra step and write detailed replies and try everything under the sun to get the person's issue resolved before having to say "contact mods". As it should be.

Sorry to Say and I even told @Melinda_H in our private discussion (not about any new Oracle) but did mention an overhaul of current Oracle's should be evaluated before adding new ones. There's a few old Oracle's that don't deserve there entitled status for a free $20 when they are rarely on and when they are it's short and sweet for a few posts. I sometimes have a hard time remembering how their username is written if I did need to tag then in something as they're rarely on lol.

It's quite funny actually when you can see that Oracle's don't look at all regular members as the same and have whatever personal issues/ grudge or wtv. You can write the greatest detailed response and some Oracle's will bypass a bravo on your post because it's a certain username they don't like but will like the one before and after yours that is a one liner and not helpful. Go figure lol.

And of course you have just proved my point. Like in the past the Oracle "Clique" is very quick and fast to call out members when they speak about Oracle's. If this was the English forums I'd expect a few other Oracle's to chime in. Thankfully it's the French forums maybe one other will chime in who knows.

Oracle's are held at a higher standard. Remember you are the face of PM (which in the past you tried to tell me you guys are not) but that was confirmed also in the Oracle application thread. So when the faces of PM start doing their jobs (Not all but some) to earn that free $20 and treat all members the same on these forums than maybe some of my comments will stop. Till then at least proper information should be given to people and not incorrect info. I'd expect incorrect info to be given from the multiple newbies that do it daily to get their posts up without Oracle's doing their job in mentoring them as you should be doing.

Thankfully PCGeek is back to being an Oracle now. He did more work as a retired Oracle than some of the current (before the new ones) did. I think some of the new ones have already done more merge /transfers than some old Oracle's.

It's time for the Oracle's to be on the same page together and not all this mixed up stuff of "Look at me I have a star I can do what I want". No sorry you're all Oracle's and should be on same page doing your job that you signed up for not pick and choose.

As I have now gotten off track on this whole post. I'll end with. If any Oracle (not just this new one) keeps giving wrong answers. I will speak up about it. I shouldn't have to waste my time going back and ready threads (on the French forum no less) correcting mistakes. I should be able to see an Oracle replied and know that the issue is likely resolved and not have to look at the thread. Like when I see PCgeek post in French forum. I'm confident that he has the issue covered. I should feel that confidence with all Oracle's not a select few. Not all your guys fault. Maybe PM should have had a training or refresh course instead of just switching someone's status and say go to it.

Think about it as a brand new member. If a new person was thinking about joining PM and reading the forums. They see Oracle's, they read about who Oracle's are. Then they go into threads and see regular members correcting the Oracle. Does not look that great for that new potential customer. This is exactly what I tried explaining to you guys in April when some of you were after me. Face of the community and when new people see how Oracle's talk to people (more back in the past with one Oracle who is still an Oracle lol with belittling condescending posts, personal agendas, etc)..It really doesn't look good for PM nor does it look good when regular members have to go back and correct Oracle's nor does it look good (this message that I am writing) where now I have to write defending myself because another one in the Oracle clique who we all know has issues with me and sometimes throws in cheap shots months later (not this time) is yet again coming after me when they should be mentoring their new colleague.

Don't worry though Shawn. I have one more goal to achieve on these forums and I'll likely be cutting back much much less as there is really no point anymore. These forums are all a mess PM does nothing really about it ( Although Melinda who is very nice is working on it which I 💯 percent believe she will be doing) to get these forums back on track and Oracle's that just do as these please when they want and let new members make a mess of things with incorrect posts with no mentoring. It's only a given that some regular helpful members wioo want to start being on less. Until it's fixed at least!

Have a good evening Shawn!

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 05:11:23 GMT

@Jb456 a écrit :
Désolé Oracle. Les informations que vous donnez sont incorrectes. Ces 20 $ gratuits chaque mois doivent être sympas lol.

@Jb456, je ne sais pas pourquoi vous aviez besoin de faire une telle remarque à un nouvel Oracle. C'est totalement déplacé et je pense que vous leur devez des excuses. Vous avez tenu à les mentionner en tant qu'Oracle au lieu de les étiqueter et d'obtenir 20 $ gratuits par mois. S'ils participent à la communauté, ce n'est évidemment pas gratuit. Je pense que vous devez terminer votre saison ouverte sur les Oracles avec vos commentaires.

Edited: Added translation

@Jb456, I don't know why you needed to make such a remark to a new Oracle. It's totally inappropriate and I think you owe them an apology. You wanted to mention them as Oracle instead of tagging them and getting $20 free per month. If they participate in the community, it is obviously not free. I think you need to end your open season on The Oracles with your comments.

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 00:07:26 GMT

@Jb456 correcting someone is the right thing to do I agree. There is just no need for the belittling comment to go with it that is all.

I am totally here for the new Oracles and so are the others. They know they can reach out and know how they can get in touch with us if help is needed. That went out as soon as the announcement was made.

Re: Information

Jb456 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 00:32:50 GMT

@ShawnC13

Thanks for proving my point even more 👍

Months leading up to April 2020 a member of your "Oracle Clique" was doing multiple belittling, condescending, rude & cheap shot posts to multiple regular members on a regular basis.

Where were you then for us regular members? Oh wait you and most of the rest of the Oracle's at that time were quick to back up your teammate. Not stick up for the regular members that took a bashing, bans, etc from one of your teammates.

And as the world turns. Shawn is right back to sticking up for Oracle's as soon as any regular member (doesn't have to be me but I'm the only one that says it how it is) makes a remark towards an Oracle. Go Figure!

Have a good evening.

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 03:55:28 GMT

@Jb456 I have moved this post to the lounge as we have gone off-topic of the OP. If you have an issue with me I have no problem talking about it, send me a message

Re: Information

Jb456 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 04:17:22 GMT

@ShawnC13 there is an issue. Why didn't you move this thread to start with your response?? (screenshot below).

This thread no longer makes sense without your first response 🙄 that started all the additional off topic posts.

Then yet again 3rd time now on this very thread that you prove my point. As your very first post (screen shot below) was "gone off topic of the OP". Contradiction with the Oracle Clique again I see. What a joke.

Moved some of the thread to make it look like JB is on a ramble. Yet leave your post (which is off topic) on the original thread to make it look like oh the Oracle is doing his work and correcting a regular member.

You really should move the below post (screenshot) to the start of this lounge thread.

Than everything will make more sense and I'll be satisfied.

Re: Information

Jb456 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 05:07:40 GMT

@ShawnC13

This is the issue Shawn. This thread was moved from the English forums to the French forums before lunch time. Around 1130am est.

I corrected yet another mistake by an Oracle (as I said they have done a few over the last few days that I had to correct) so of course I had to make a comment "must be nice to get a free $20"

The Oracle in Question came back a little after 3pm EST and corrected their post.

Issue was done and everyone moved on.

Then you @ShawnC13 who RARELY COMES ON THE FRENCH FORUMS went out of your way (Entitled Oracle) at 4:18pm. Only to post back to me. To come out of your way into the French forums because JB456 posted a comment towards an Oracle.

In are back and forth messages on this thread. You said because of a belittling post. Yet last year for months one of your Oracle's had months of belittling condescending posts to numerous regular members. Months!. Did you speak up then?? NOPE what you did is defended them.

So who is in the wrong and who is in the right? It surely is not me. I avoid you, try to keep it civil as much as I can with you. I even at times tag you in a post if I see you're online to edit something out.

You on the other had have legit went out of your way to yet again come after me. Why do you do this?..this is not the first time it's been many multiple times. If it's not you posting a cheap shot directed to me months later. It's as if you're hunting down my posts to find something you can stick your nose in. Then when I start writing back to you pointing things out. Eventually you just say "I moved the thread private message me if you have an issue" and won't respond anymore lol. Just mind your own biz and stop trying to attack me. I rarely start with you, but you surely like to start with me then you want things via private message. For what. Speak your mind let the forums see it. (After all now it is in the lounge).

@ShawnC13 and also please explain to me why my tag to @Melinda_H is no longer a tag ever since you moved these posts to the lounge?

What is going on with that?

@Melinda_H Does this not show you what your Oracle's do on the forums?

Surely PM has some type of guidelines for Oracle's not to continue and continue and continue to pick on certain regular members. This lounge thread and Shawns first post still in the first thread. Clearly shows he is picking on me. In the French forums no less where he rarely comes to.

How is this ok? How is this right that PM let's this stuff slide?. This has been going on since before April 2020. When your other Oracle (will13am) who is still an Oracle went months with belittling condescending cheap shot posts to 5 plus members and tried Oracle's tried to get people uninvited to a PM event in Toronto.

Can you please look into this matter?

PS: I've taken screenshots of this thread and if your tag magically gets removed a second time. I'll just send you a private message. Thank you Melinda!.

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 05:10:12 GMT

I have tried to add that post it will appear in the second post. I only moved from where the discussion went to English. I will also Translate it

Re: Information

Jb456 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 05:18:04 GMT

@ShawnC13 I already screenshot both French and English and out in this thread. Just move your French post would be a nice gesture from you. Everyone can automatically translate it to English anyways. Thanks!

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 05:37:14 GMT

@Jb456 I am not sure why the tag is gone I only moved the post not (EDITED TO ADD) not edit any posts. Again I started where the conversation went English I have added my first post but it shows as the second post here and have added a translation as well. Which was basically that yes it is fine to correct people but no need to belittle people.

Your post was brought to my attention by a member that is why I went there and read what you had said.

Who did I defend? How come you are allowed to "call it as you see it" as you say but if called out because it is unacceptable by me or anyone it then becomes an attack on you?

You like to take shots at Oracles any chance you get but if I say something about it you become a defenseless sheep that I am picking on?

@Melinda_H I will tag you incase his post gets edited to remove the tag.

Re: Information

Anonymous — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 05:41:12 GMT

@ShawnC13 : I'm in support of Jb456 here (knowing full well that what I think carries exactly zero weight). Oracles are supposed to be above it all. Like the cops. People will hurl all kinds of abuse at them in person. The well-trained cops remain stoic and above it. You guys are the cops. You took the "job".

From what I've read of the issue, I get it. Why bother being an Oracle of the system and phones if you just throw customers to the mods. Us little folk down here get a little miffed that the exalted ones get their 20 bucks anyway for that while we do a bunch of legwork to see the customer on their way.

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 06:24:35 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
@ShawnC13 : I'm in support of Jb456 here (knowing full well that what I think carries exactly zero weight). Oracles are supposed to be above it all. Like the cops. People will hurl all kinds of abuse at them in person. The well-trained cops remain stoic and above it. You guys are the cops. You took the "job".
From what I've read of the issue, I get it. Why bother being an Oracle of the system and phones if you just throw customers to the mods. Us little folk down here get a little miffed that the exalted ones get their 20 bucks anyway for that while we do a bunch of legwork to see the customer on their way.

@Anonymous there is no issue with correcting people, we need the information to be correct to help out the members. The added comments are not needed. Everyone makes mistakes I know I have posted incorrect information on here and when pointed out to me I go and edit my post and point out the correction. If people are getting miffed about the rewards then it truly isn't how everyone says that they are just a bonus and the real reward is helping people.

Re: Information

Anonymous — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 06:40:07 GMT

@ShawnC13 : No...it's the default 20 bucks you get anyway. You can barely show up and still get the reward. Optics donchaknow. The rest of us have to put in the time to get that measly few bucks. Yes...it's helping the customers and feeling good about seeing them on their way. But Oracles can get by seemingly apparently doing little to nothing and get rewarded for it. While everybody else has to hammer it out to get less. Optics.

Like politicians jetting off to warmer climes while telling their voters to stay home. Optics.

Re: Information

Jb456 — Sun, 17 Jan 2021 06:46:10 GMT

@ShawnC13

Considering not many people are on the French forums. If my post was "brought to your attention" then it was likely by the New French Oracle lol if that is even the case.

Everytime (not only me) says anything about an Oracle you're 90% the first one to jump on the bandwagon and give a reply.

What's the big deal of a star next to your name anyways. You're not entitled. Not better than the rest of us regular members. You simply been on these forums for a very long time and have certain Superuser privileges whoopy do.

How is it ok for Oracle's to talk down to regular members but it is not ok for regular members to talk back to Oracle's?

Whenever you have a chance you're the first Oracle to respond back to a comment I make or go out of your way to reply to something that you should just mind your biz. Not talking to you not bothering you nothing zip zero Nada. But you speak then I speak that is just how it goes.

Oracle application thread page 5 you threw a cheap shot directed my way "Edit privilege ain't given to just anyone could be abused. Stay safe".. talking about my stay safe edits from April ( all those edits caused by you Oracle's)

Defend? Let's see. Who did you defend with the rest of the Oracle clique? Will13am. So if you want to talk to me about "no need to belittle". Maybe you should check yourself and look back in the past when your Oracle teammate was belittling 5 plus members on a daily basis for months along with condescending cheap shot posts. Where were you then Shawn?

How come you were not speaking up towards that Oracle to defend us regular members?

Was it not brought to your attention? Our private messages back and forth back then (which I still have) clearly shows otherwise and you were well informed what the issue was. Believe I still have one of your responses when you said "Ya at times I don't see eye to eye with that Oracle either". You had every opportunity to defend us regular folks back then but you choose otherwise.

So for you to now in 2021 talk about a belittling post makes no sense. What gives you Mr Oracle the right to talk about that when you did the complete opposite last year? Oh wait I know because the person doing the belittling was part of your clique right? So that's ok?

Let's not forget the private message from you to me back then that could have been taken as a threat. Then only after the fact when I posted a full timeline of the Oracle's using privileges for their own agenda with screenshots then a bunch of Oracle's ran back to their posts to edit them to remove belittling responses, make them look better,etc. And sure enough at same time I received a 2nd follow up message from your first threat message with you trying to explain what you meant.

All good though bud. Nothing really changed on your end from April 2020 to now. Was nice a quiet for a few months until the Oracle application thread came about. Than here we go. Have Shawn throwing a cheap shot my way, have Shawn now and then (not all the time) replying to some of my posts in not such a nice way. Have PCgeek who was retired at the point hiding his own posts directed to me. Got the personal agenda Oracle who for months n months has had a personal agenda towards myself and other members all of a sudden liking some of my posts lol. Because PM gave him a slap on then wrist. Got other Oracle's (maybe or maybe all you same ones) complaining to PM when I write "You Oracle's" well yes sorry you're all a team and should be all on the same page not pick and choose.

I think you have better things to do on these forums then always coming to bother me. Don't you think? Like mentoring the new regular members on how to not post one liners and take their time to give a detailed correct answer? Maybe mentor some new Oracle's? Pretty sad when Oracle's give incorrect answers multiple times or say contact mods 80% of the time. You should be focusing your time with these people and not on me. I'm averaging 50 to 70 solutions a month. I think I'm over 100 or very close to it for January alone. Your time on these forums can be better served if you help these people out and not focus on me. Just sayin!

Ever notice I don't say a word or a comment when everything goes fine on the forums? You guys (well at least for the last few months) let me do my thing and answer people's questions, a little joke here and there and all is happy. But as soon as I say one little thing about Oracle's BAM got 3/4 down my throat lol. Glad this ain't on the English forum there would be more Oracle's. But actually that may have been a benefit. Ndesai mimmo are rarely around but always seem to appear on threads when I start talking about Oracle's lol. Maybe that would get them back to the forums to actually do some work lol.

But really there was no belittling at all. It's a darn joke. Do you not know how to joke around? Can you not take a joke without getting frustrated and thinking someone is attacking you?

Not sure how you can't see it as a joke. And if it was actually brought to your attention. Than the other person should also grow some thick skin and not take it so personally. Nothing is directed personally to anyone. Had I left it ending with that then yes it could be taken personal but I did not leave it ending like that. I actually went on to give an answer to the Oracle.

All I wrote was.

"Sorry Oracle. The information you gave was incorrect. The free $20 each month must be nice lol" basically saying it must be nice to give incorrect answers and still know you'll get $20 at the end of the month.

You may say cheap shot. But don't because you do cheap shots to. It was a joke nothing more nothing less.

If it was intended to be something else like you just wrote "You like to take shots at Oracle's any chance you get" then I would have left the message just like that.

Not proceed to explain to the Oracle why their answer was incorrect.

I don't necessarily give shots to Oracle's any chance I get. What I do do is make remarks when Oracle's are not doing their "JOB". It's not fair to regular members that have to put in lots of work on the forums to get a decent reward when "some" Oracle's (not all) rarely do anything and get a guaranteed $20.

As I mentioned before in one of these posts. Before new Oracle's that just started a retired Oracle was leading the forums doing Oracle's work. While some Oracle's were either rarely on the forums or on the forums (not you) but just randomly posting on chitchat threads, now and then answering a person's question but leaving all the other work to the other Oracle's who did not have to do much as a retired Oracle already took care of it. Ya that's fair!

My opinion stands on that topic.

If there is 3 Oracle or 7 Oracle's they should all be doing the same job. Not pick n choose, not leave it for someone else. They all should be doing exactly what everyone else does and treat every regular member (regardless of username) with the same respect. Not pick and choose who they like and don't like for personal reasons. It's pretty sad that I can't even tag all the Oracle's in a thread that needs something edited cause they see "jb456" tagged you in a post and they just ignore it. Don't need the excuses of why they do. I've seen one Oracle write in a thread 20 seconds before I tagged them and then proceeded to continue to post on every other thread for the next hour but ignore the one thread that I tagged them in. Ya thats real nice. Or as I said already Oracle Bravo's a one line post before my detailed post (that ends up getting the solution) and Bravo's 1 or 2 posts after my post but not my post. Hmm wonder why that is🤔 darn JB456 I don't like him that's why lol.

If all Oracle's can't be the same than bye bye replaced.

This is where problems arise. Oracle's are the face of the forums and PM rarely moderates and leaves it up to you guys. Clearly they don't see all that happens on the forums which is probably another reason some Oracle's are still an Oracle and not gone.

Sad that some of the New Oracle's appear to have already done more work on the forums than the old Oracle's lol.

Anyways I got to get to bed. PM should evaluate all Oracle's on a 2/3 month basis and not a year. Or better yet get rid of all Oracle's and have someone from PM on here 24/7. Then we can all battle (with same privileges) for the top rewards.

Was it last year or the year before. That one or 2 Oracle's left and one of them was not on for 4 / 5 months and still got $20 each month. How Nice.

Anyways I don't care. As soon as I hit 1000 solutions. I'll be on much less untill PM gets these forums running properly. I have faith in Melinda in that. Quote button would be nice tho lol.

Have a good night Shawn. Till tomorrow so we can continue if you want I don't mind 😉

Re: Information

Jb456 — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:19:08 GMT

@ShawnC13

Well Shawn. I guess you did not want to chat yesterday lol.

So I'll leave you with this.

With the new additions to your "Clique" brings your group to 9 Oracle's.

I suggest that all of you as a team start focusing your attention on Mentoring.

Instead of you guys doing as you please. Chitchat threads, randomly picking and choosing tasks to do, no doing anything at all or coming on very seldomly.

Change it. Re-Organize your group and focus on doing the same tasks.

Leave Luddite do the solutions.

Leave PCgeek do majority of Merges/Edits (when he is online)

Leave the newbies to learn their new tasks.

All Oracle's except for new should focus on teaching / mentoring the new Oracle's and new members.

Then focus on mentoring the newer regular members that are active on the forums. Incorrect information, confusion, one liner posts, copy n pasting contact mods without even trying to problem solve. Can all stop IF you Oracle's with that fancy star would do your task in mentoring / teaching these people.

I can name 5 active users right of the top of my head that could probably use some coaching from you Oracle's.

By you guys prioritizing your tasks and focusing your efforts on things like this instead of being all over the place. The outcome will be better for the forums overall.

Currently you guys are all over the place (like a chicken with its head cut off) and this overall look is not good for PM. Your are the face of PM.

Make these forums more structured. What comes from the top trickles down to us regulars. I shouldn't have to point out errors continually to a member that has a special star next to their name. I do get it (we all make errors no one is perfect) but when it's 3/4 incorrect responses in a 24-30 hour period and majority of other responses are simply "contact mods" with no problem solving than there is a problem. Especially when that comes from the top.

You can rebuttal and say well the member is new and learning. Nope sorry these are standard (answering people's questions) that every one answers. Little Star next to their name should mean the person knows what they're talking about.

It does say that right on "The Oracle program & team" thread.

"Extensive Knowledge".

Or do you want to shift the blame to PM on not doing their due diligence before in the hiring process?

So it would be best that you as well as the other Oracle's. Start mentoring your teammates and new members.

I don't need you jumping in threads writing me. You clearly know we get along if it's left to just answering people's questions. We are both civil and you'll even help me with edits or we can flow together to get someone's issue resolved. However you also clearly know if you come at me in the way you did on that French forum "Oh you owe them an apology, oh you always have something to say about Oracle's, oh you need to end your open season of comments' on Oracle's"

Then I'll be coming right back with a response to you. We'll end up going back and forth like this. Wasting both of our time for something that is a non issue when we both could have been focusing on all the new topics that come up to help those users instead of typing responses back and forth on a silly matter.

Maybe one day when you and some other Oracle's get over your issues with my username we can all work as a team for the overall goal which is helping people on these forums. Until you guys start acting like a team. Instead of all doing whatever you want then you may get a comment from me.

Remember it comes from the top and trickles down and you guys are the top of these forums. Don't think I don't notice when you throw a comment my way when you try to be SLY and word it differently so it's not intentionally directed to me. Like two recent ones from you.

Oracle application thread page 5
New year's Day or day after (or near that time frame) your sly remark about moving a post to lounge. Something like "I thought that would have ended last year but I guess some people don't know when to quit". (Something like that I can't be bothered to find the exact thread or comment now)

But just because you don't get a reaction from me doesn't mean I don't notice. I take the bigger step and just ignore it and move on to helping other members. You probably should start doing the same. Cause when I have to write threads like this I will. 1- to get my point across and response to all the stuff you write to me. And 2 in hopes PM sees it and says to themselves "Definitely a gap between the Oracle's and Regular members maybe we should look into this". Of course there is a gap because entitled Oracle's think they can do what they want when they want with no worries because PM don't really monitor the forums and leave it up to the Oracle's. Two way street even if your special little star is not monitored as closely as regular members. No need to keep things hush hush, it's visible to everyone, everyone sees some Oracle's do more work than others while some do hardly anything and others a rarely on collecting a free (or I should say guaranteed $20) regardless of what they do.

Anywho. It's only the start of 2021. Maybe we will see eye to eye before the end of the year. I'm open (have always been) if you are Shawn.

Have a good day!

Re: Information

ShawnC13 — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:31:01 GMT

Sorry @Jb456 real life keeps me busy to and not always enough time to answer to everything. I chose not to respond as I have offered to discuss anything with you in private as I have offered before rather than pages and pages here.

Re: Information

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:37:10 GMT

I think it's useful to keep these things out in the light of day rather than hidden unknown to all behind the scenes. If there's rot then we should all be able to know rather than just to those discussing it.

Re: Information

Jb456 — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:23:08 GMT

Yup no hush hush private message for me. What's there to hide?

So you're just going to choose to not respond because it's not sent to you in private and hidden from everyone? Lol that's funny. That's an entitled star tag move if you ask me (not giving you a cheapshot just voicing my opinion)

It is in the lounge after all so it's a legitimate thread regarding PM issues. Don't get why you always want it done in private? Don't want PM to see something?

Open forums for all to see is the best way to go.

Thing is @ShawnC13 other members on here have issues with how some Oracle's do thing's also. They just don't speak up. I have no problems speaking up tho.

Open thread is the best way to go but do as you wish and not respond. All good. lol.

Hopefully you take some of what I wrote and use it constructively so Oracle's start getting on the same page. Comes from the top, to bottom. So fix it.

It's funny how you have no issue openly posting on threads telling me I should apologize for my comment and end my comments towards Oracle's. Like who are you to tell me that? Lol.

Then proceed to say you "offered" to discuss anything with you in private as you "offered in the past". Like who are you to say that? You have no problems writing that on the open forum to make yourself look good but ITS NOT A GENUINE POST!. Had it been a sincere post from you that had truth to back it up I would have had seen a private message from you in my inbox!

So word it correctly. It's NOT an "Offer" it's an "option" you gave. Instead of me picking that "option" I choose the "option" of writing public for all to see. If it was an "offer" then it would have said "I did send you a private message"offering" to continue the discussion in private.

Last private message I got from you was September 23rd 2020 when you replied to my message thanking me for informing you that you had personal stuff showing in your public photos.

And prior to that one was April 2020 when you clarified your first message that could have been taken as a threat.

So thanks but no thanks you can keep your fake fictitious "Offers" lol.

Take it easy and good day to you Sir!

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ShawnC13 — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:43:00 GMT

I have made other offers to discuss this with you @Jb456, you denied them as well. No I don't take screen shots of for proof so I don't recall exactly where it was offered. I am open to anyone that wants to reach out to me to discuss things. I am sure you have taken your issues up with Melinda as that would be appropriate person to address all concerns with the Oracle Program.

EDIT: Change all wording of OFFER to Option

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Jb456 — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:09:35 GMT

@ShawnC13 again it's not an offer. You give options. Like I just listed the dates of your last private messages to me. Don't see any private message from you "offering" to discuss it in private. Just fake meaningless posts saying you've offered.

This issue with Melinda? No! I tagged her in the post so she can see. If she reads or not, responds or not (to the portion that I addressed to her) it doesn't matter.

The rest I've address to you. It's Oracle issues anyways you're an oracle fix it. So do your Job that you signed up for.

Everytime I make a comment about Oracle's. Shawn first one to jump on the bandwagon back at me. This time Shawn telling me to apologize for my comment and stop Oracle comments. Who are you to tell me that?

Why don't you be an Oracle and instead of telling me those things. Do your job and Mentor the new Oracle that posted incorrect information to multiple posts that I had to correct them on. That's not my Job. It's yours it's your teammate. Mentor and teach them how to use that really cool PM feature called the search bar to search for answers and do some problem solving instead of most of the time writing "contact mods".